Yeah one of us going down the manosphere rabbithole would spoil my friendships, but that’s rather far from “men suck”.

You win the subthread.

Thank you.

Powerstruggle: gets his pseudoscience from the liar in chief, Donald Trump. Also: lies about that fact. Coincidence?

Stop lying

Lol! I said you always do it, then you did it! You have an amazing ability to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time.

They show up in any post related to trans people to discuss their pet transphobic theories, often one which Trump gave.

And there’s your pet theory that just happens to have been copied from the imbecile pedophile in chief!

Do you propose that we inspect someone’s gametes to gain access to public toilets?! 10/10 irrelevant point.

Pioneered? Pillaged, you mean. Elsevier is a vampire on academia.

More British than European typically.

That’s mainly the British ones, to be fair. Brits developed a taste for vegetable oil during the war, and we’re nothing if not nostalgic.

“We heard you the fifth time!” smh

Hehe. Powerstruggle is one of the most persistent transphobic conversation derailers on lemmy. They show up in any post related to trans people to discuss their pet transphobic theories, often one which Trump gave. Imagine being intellectuality dominated by Donald Trump!

I completely understand you blocking them. If I were the mod of a news sub where they repeatedly behaved the way they do, I would wield the ban hammer hard.

not really sure what point ur trying to make

It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I’m being hypocritical, I see.

You’re not worth arguing with.

You have a funny way of showing it.

manufacturing so much outrage over using sex as opposed to gender as a useful concept in medical contexts

That’s all on you honey, all you. The rest of us were talking about access to gendered spaces for trans people. No one except you is weirdly taking about banning words from medical discourse.

I’m done arguing with you.

Do you mean that literally, like my version of literally, when it’s literally true? Of course not!

Wait, I get it now! Almost everything you say isn’t true and has some bigger agenda. No wonder you assumed that someone else was behaving that way at the start of all this!

It’s completely accurate to say “literally” while paraphrasing.

1. No is isn’t. Use words like “essentially” for that. “It’s literally what they said” is in fact a lie.
2. Especially not when inventing a bunch of absolutism that wasn’t there and interpreting it with a whole bunch of extra, much easier to debunk nonsense that you added yourself.

people insisted that sex has no meaningful use even in medical contexts.

I didn’t see that in this thread. Oh, unless you’re meaning it “literally” with your version of the word “literally” which doesn’t man literally literally and for some reason includes absurd straw man content.

Like I say, you and I use the word “literally” very, very differently.

When I say something like “they literally said it”, I mean that they actually said it. You know, that that was what they said. Literally.

When you use that phrase, you mean “that’s how I interpreted it because I wanted to argue about it. All day.”

I want you to think of a phrase about a minority group that you personally acknowledge is offensive.

If someone tries to say that the word “ethnicity”

I think if you break character and you’re really honest with yourself and me, you may be able to come to terms with the possibility that maybe, just maybe, you don’t sincerely believe that ‘ethnicity’ is a word that you, personally acknowledge is offensive.

It was a breathtakingly futile attempt to help you for once look at something from someone else’s perspective. I don’t know why I tried given how insulated from empathy for anyone else’s feelings or perspective you have demonstrated you are over the last hours.

You make it really hard to care about anyone’s feelings if I have to walk on eggshells

Lol. You really think that the victims of transphobic talk are to blame.

The next time a trans man dies of ovarian cancer because his doctor was too afraid to have him screened for it (or worse: didn’t even know he has ovaries in the first place!), then at least I know it won’t be my fault.

Lol lol lol. You are parodying yourself now! You invented this timeline, this complete fiction, this flight of fancy in which someone was insisting that it’s transphobic for a doctor to ask people about their medical history, (a context and an assertion that you, and only you invented) and then you blamed someone merely telling you that you were being impolite for the DEATH of your fictional character when they followed the imagined straw man advice that literally no one gave except you. And then you congratulated yourself that you had done your best to prevent the fictional death resulting from the implausible consequence of following advice that you yourself invented!

You have to give in and admit that the sheer audacity and absurdity of this far fetched straw man is actually funny!

And there you go pretending context doesn’t exist. Amazing.

That’s not a strawman or an invention, it’s literally what the person was saying.

You and I clearly use the word literally very differently. I use it considerably more honestly and literally than you do.

If you can’t see the strawmanning here, you’re one or more of unselfaware, unable to back down when you’re wrong, disingenuous or malicious.

I’m leaning towards options (b) and © here.

why are people saying it’s a transphobic dogwhistle when I simply say “it’s not necessarily a transphobic dogwhistle”?

Ib don’t think you really thought about that question before you posted it. If I recall correctly, this is your first use of the word “necessarily”. If you had merely said “it’s not necessarily a dog whistle in every context -medics might use the term”, you might have simply had a quick “but in this guidance transphobic dog whistling is very much where it comes from and in any case a medic is likely to omit the word biological”.

Again, the context of this while discussion, as you keep rejecting despite the link at the top of the page, is the trans-harassment “equalities” guidance. The other context is entirely and irrelevantly of your invention.

this isn’t a trans comm, and neither were half the ones I got permabanned from. So your logic falls short.

I have no idea which comms you got banned from, but some whole instances are designed to be safe spaces so that trans people can complain about being excluded from access to public toilets in peace without you turning up to derail the entire conversion to be about what the word “sex” means. blahaj.zone is one such instance, and I know there are several other instances that are keen to protect trans folk from exactly the kind of “bbbut medically, surely” crap you’re pulling here.

The fact that you argue rather than apologise when people say you’re behaving insensitively to trans folk is exactly the reason I fully support banning you from trans-supportive spaces.

Nothing I’ve said has been bigoted, y’all are just loading layers of meaning and interpretation onto my statements because you’re conditioned to see transphobia and bigotry everywhere you look. It sucks that you have to put up with that stuff, but that’s not what I’m doing and you’re overapplying that filter.

Wow. I want you to think of a phrase about a minority group that you personally acknowledge is offensive.

Imagine someone turning up after someone explained that that phrase was offensive and then spending upwards of three hours arguing that it it isn’t offensive in some contexts. And then to cap it all, blaming that targetted group of people in general for being offended and hinting that they should have put aside a lifetime of prejudice and disadvantage so they can look more calmly rationally at the debate about whether it’s always offensive.

I didn’t invent anything.

Really?

“it’s a totally useless term that can only be used as a dogwhistle.”

This you?

If you can’t see the strawmanning here, you’re one or more of unselfaware, unable to back down when you’re wrong, disingenuous or malicious.

afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth.

Cis men don’t describe themselves as “amab” they just describe themselves as men.

Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time.

There’s a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn’t take anything else into account.

Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb “assigned” and the context “at birth”.

It would explain an emphasis on definitions and a deemphasis from the social consequences of debating the definitions in a particular social context.

The person I was talking to admitted that it can be hard to tell the difference between transphobia and an only accidentally offensive post. I was providing a rationale for how the latter could have occurred.