I like a bicameral system with one assembly being chosen by sortition. Say, expand the US House dramatically, and fill the seats by sortition. I just don’t think completely replacing all representatives with random citizens is a great idea. I don’t think you can train people to be policy experts fast enough for that to really be viable in a large modern nation.
Maybe fill the Senate by sortition from just lawyers, and maybe past Representatives, so you retain some level of expertise in the legislature.
This is very similar to how we do it with juries; a body of the people to stamp/implement the laws written by congress and rules for reading them from judges. I think it’s an improvement.
But I do want to vouch for how teachable people can be. And I think it really changes how we fund/run/manage education when ‘functioning in the senate’ is a mandatory skill.
My gut reaction is exhaustion. I would like this if folks had the time, resources, and politicians weren’t so tied up in party politics.
If you have a functional legislative arm of government, then it produces too many bits of text for the average person to keep up with it, and it’s not terribly efficient for them to try. I don’t need to know the particulars of industrial zoning policy, but I do want it to be sensical.
And if the politicians decide to bundle things together, lots of wedging becomes available. This seems less common for single-issue policy juries (one could even constrain their range on creation).
But in RCV and good support: sure. I think it could be made to work.
As teachable as they may be, legislating a country of a third of a billion people is complicated. How long does it take to teach constitutional law to a layperson? Not to mention the time to teach them the other relevant knowledge to draft functional policy. Do their terms include that education time, or do they have a preparatory teaching period before their term actually begins?
Then there’s the issue of installing the teachers themselves. Clearly they can’t be assigned by broad sortition themselves. Are they appointed? By who? How do you prevent them from becoming a sort of shadow government, influencing representatives with their own biases and agendas?
I like sortition in principle, but it raises its own questions. Like I said, I like the idea of an upper house randomly selected from those who pass the bar in their states. It’s not a perfect solution, but there may be something workable there.
I think I disagree that each group needs to know the full constitutional law. Politicians often have aids for this, and this proposal doesn’t need to remove the courts. Let them summon a judge and negotiate the final language, or contract out multiple versions and take public comments.
Similarly for the teachers: in court rooms and congress, they aren’t permanent hires. They’re brought in by choice of the group (or someone organizing/arguing to the group). In most areas it is not so difficult to find well credentialed experts, who may in turn suggest other people to talk to (or, should any of them seem sus, may inspire a sortitioned member to suggest a critic). If data is bad, congress can get folks to go and collect the data they want in the way they want. When your job is to understand one issue, I think you have the time to consider multiple views and sort through the claims.
I like a bicameral system with one assembly being chosen by sortition. Say, expand the US House dramatically, and fill the seats by sortition. I just don’t think completely replacing all representatives with random citizens is a great idea. I don’t think you can train people to be policy experts fast enough for that to really be viable in a large modern nation.
Maybe fill the Senate by sortition from just lawyers, and maybe past Representatives, so you retain some level of expertise in the legislature.
This is very similar to how we do it with juries; a body of the people to stamp/implement the laws written by congress and rules for reading them from judges. I think it’s an improvement.
But I do want to vouch for how teachable people can be. And I think it really changes how we fund/run/manage education when ‘functioning in the senate’ is a mandatory skill.
shouldn’t then the congressional body be that and you just have everyone vote on the laws?
I’m too many levels in and I can’t tell which combination you’re talking about XD
So I mean congress or parliment or whatnot creates laws and votes on what is ready to send to the elecorate for a vote to pass.
My gut reaction is exhaustion. I would like this if folks had the time, resources, and politicians weren’t so tied up in party politics.
If you have a functional legislative arm of government, then it produces too many bits of text for the average person to keep up with it, and it’s not terribly efficient for them to try. I don’t need to know the particulars of industrial zoning policy, but I do want it to be sensical.
And if the politicians decide to bundle things together, lots of wedging becomes available. This seems less common for single-issue policy juries (one could even constrain their range on creation).
But in RCV and good support: sure. I think it could be made to work.
As teachable as they may be, legislating a country of a third of a billion people is complicated. How long does it take to teach constitutional law to a layperson? Not to mention the time to teach them the other relevant knowledge to draft functional policy. Do their terms include that education time, or do they have a preparatory teaching period before their term actually begins?
Then there’s the issue of installing the teachers themselves. Clearly they can’t be assigned by broad sortition themselves. Are they appointed? By who? How do you prevent them from becoming a sort of shadow government, influencing representatives with their own biases and agendas?
I like sortition in principle, but it raises its own questions. Like I said, I like the idea of an upper house randomly selected from those who pass the bar in their states. It’s not a perfect solution, but there may be something workable there.
I think I disagree that each group needs to know the full constitutional law. Politicians often have aids for this, and this proposal doesn’t need to remove the courts. Let them summon a judge and negotiate the final language, or contract out multiple versions and take public comments.
Similarly for the teachers: in court rooms and congress, they aren’t permanent hires. They’re brought in by choice of the group (or someone organizing/arguing to the group). In most areas it is not so difficult to find well credentialed experts, who may in turn suggest other people to talk to (or, should any of them seem sus, may inspire a sortitioned member to suggest a critic). If data is bad, congress can get folks to go and collect the data they want in the way they want. When your job is to understand one issue, I think you have the time to consider multiple views and sort through the claims.