Or are just fucked and perma kicked out of NATO and the UN? Or will we have to do a big World Wide Appology saying yes we fucked up but we are trying/will fix it.?

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    From the perspective of a non-influential Canadian citizen, you need to clean house before trust can be restored.

    You don’t trust a crack addict because they told you they’re clean. Trust needs to be rebuilt and it takes a lot of time and effort.

    Your democracy is sick, and Trump is the symptom, not the problem.

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      We’re going to have to de-Nazify the entire system, from the leaders to the voters. Ban them from holding office, strip their voting rights, destroy the ability for wealthy individuals or special interests to buy politicians. There’s some good ideas at the core of American democracy, but we’ve not only fucked it up, there’s other countries that have come along since our founding and are doing it better. Strip the country to its bones, salvage what worked, fix what didn’t, and toss a lot of the hubris.

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      Canadian democracy has all the same problems as the USA. Housing crises, healthcare crisis, lack of economic growth for all but the top 10%, over-immigration, etc.

      Y’all are just more polite about it. But you flip flop between two major parties that do nothing to improve things, and your third parties make a lot of noise, but also do nothing.

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        I think you’re forgetting some pretty key differences like ICE kidnappings, starting tariff wars, bombings, etc

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          You don’t have the capabilities to do any of that. Your navy can barely perform coastal patrol adequately…

          Your military has been in shambles for 40 years, you have no border police, and your trade is still mostly natural resources…

          your government systematically doesn’t develop your economy… and keeps doubling down on natural resource exports… which are 53% of your exports by value…

          and your citizens get poorer and poorer…

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            Brother I don’t think you realize how much more messed up America is than Canada. No country is perfect but America has been in a state of complete chaos with no signs of slowing. Trump literally threatened genocide and you think you’re on the right side of history lol.

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              It’s not in chaos dude. You just pay way too much attention to Trump.

              What should blow your mind is how despite Trump, our economy remains far better than pretty much every other developed economy… he’s trying really hard to drive it into a ditch and yet it still remains on the road. And how effective our courts and people have been at forcing him to back down repeatedly.

              But don’t let that interrupt your doomer acceleration fantasy, I guess?

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                This was about the state of your democracy, you’re being a shining example of why your government is so corrupt. I promise you, nobody is impressed by your economy when your figurehead is an asshat. Americans are frequently ranked one of the most hated tourists around the world because of the personality you’re displaying. You guys had 10700 protests in 2025 alone and you still don’t see the chaos. That’s bewildering honestly.

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        You aren’t wrong.

        We’re stuck with the first past the post electoral system which is following the same route of falling into the 2 party trap. Corporations are buying those two parties and they are both further right than I think a lot of Canadians want, but the left leaning parties are a hard option to vote for, out of fear of the rightmost party getting the seat of power.

        Trudeau did get elected originally on the promise of electoral reform with the NDP, but that promise was one of many he broke, and who knows how long before we can get it back as a voter issue.

        Right now no one can get past the fear of economic uncertainty, which is being used by both the Liberals and Conservatives to ignore things that are much bigger in the long run, like climate change, and electoral stagnation.

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          Most 1st world democracies are stuck in this trap, because their voters won’t accept short term pain that is necessarily for long term gains. They won’t raise taxes, they won’t invest in long term capital projects, and they all want to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible and blow it on all hedonistic pleasure, hence why everyone seeks to financial everything and pursue asset value growth…

          The problem being that asset growth makes the rich richer, and deprives those without assets from every having a piece of the pie. It also devalues labor…

          The sad truth is if you made some bargain, like asset values deflate buy 25%, by salaries double over the next decade… the voters won’t ever accept it. Even if in the long run it would make everyone’s lives better. Because they want their homes and stocks to keep doubling in value every 10 years, even as the COL climbs 50% higher than inflation.