I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.

  • Schwim Dandy@piefed.zip
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    10 days ago

    I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked, his handlers have proven they are willing to use a fake attempt to gain favor and he seems to be very unfavorable right now.

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      I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked

      What about it was so obviously faked tho?

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        Umm… Everything? How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting? How many are you aware of where the SS ushers in photographers to take the heroic photos? How many are there where a crane lowers the flag down behind him for the aforementioned heroic photos, again while the shooter is still active?

        It’s the worst botch of a false flag event I’m aware of.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFQwqv0JnU8

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          The bullet that grazed Trump’s ear has been analyzed to death as too close to be fatal from the gunman’s distance to reliably stage. There are numerous more plausible explanations than the one the video puts forward.

          1. It is obvious that there might be good-looking photos if you take enough of them at any historical event. We already know that GOP campaigners cunningly used the assassination to their advantage for propaganda; the staffer is simply realizing that photos off the vent should be taken.
          2. At the end it looks more like he’s telling the photographers to keep their distance and pulling them away from Trump. There is absolutely no way he can see the camera viewfinder from such a distance, which is needed to decide on how to adjust the framing as the video purports he’s doing.
          3. The flag is simply being seen from a different angle. Throughout the video, the cameraman is approaching the gates, and then he tilts the camera upwards and then downwards. The former brings the flag into view and the latter is why the flag also looks like it’s being raised right after 0:36. Cross-reference the footage with https://www.youtube.com/live/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=24263 (in both footage you see an agent go to the outermost. in the long livestream this is immediately followed by an agent waving Trump’s red cap.), a wide view, and the flag seems static.
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          10 days ago

          This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks. Hadn’t heard about any of this stuff before. I don’t know enough to make a judgment yet but I wanted to hear where people were coming from

          Edit: wait this video is from a previous assassination attempt, I’m talking about the most recent one at the WH correspondence dinner

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            Their point is that the dinner attempt is just another poorly executed staged attempt for publicity and sympathy from a wannabe dictator that’s losing support extremely quickly.

            He started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files. That is so clearly obvious that even MAGA informed have been turning against him.

            This reeks of a blatant attempt to artificially increase support like many two bit dictators have done on the past. It worked last time.

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              not only that but the IRAN war is dragging on so long and badly for the US forces in the ME region too, already got soldiers killed early on,.

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            with 3 attempts so far, its more than a coincidence, of course right wing MSM, and fox arnt going to label like this way.

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            9 days ago

            This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks.

            so, you were looking for conspiracy bs…?

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              My question was why people believe this. He told me why he believes it. So that was the information I was looking for. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think the conspiracy stuff is convincing

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          How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting?

          He wasn’t president elect at that time. He would have been “former president, and likely (but as of the day of shooting unconfirmed) 2024 republican presidental nominee”.

          The attack happened in the summer of 2024. Election in November 2024.

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            Have you watched the videos? Nobody at his table reacts (or rather they react very slowly). The SS gets Vance to safety first, and they take 21 seconds to get to Trump. I’m not an expert, but as I’ve seen a military person describe, this is astonishingly long.

            In addition, there’s weird things like one of the fox reporters talking on air about how Carolyn Levitt’s husband was telling her they had to “keep her safe” or something, and the phone call was mysteriously dropped.

            Carolyn’s comments about “shots will be fired” before the event

            The fact that Trump has always avoided going to this event, like he had no previous interest in it at all

            The fact that it was an EXTREMELY secure event and the shooter wasn’t shot down immediately, and somehow got through all that security with several weapons?

            The way they just continued ahead with the event… Like no if anyone expected that there even an inkling of real trouble they would have shut it down immediately.

            And that IMMEDIATELY after it happened, right wing influencers started posting about why the ballroom needs to be secure (which it is speculated was the whole reason for this debacle)

            I’m sure more concrete evidence will come out in the future but they’ve done this dumb shit enough that it’s pretty safe take speculative evidence at face value, and even if not, it’s then a story of the boy who called wolf.

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              also right after he as a celebration conference too. plus they hada 60 minute interview with him immediately after it happened.

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            They didn’t get him down on the ground and instead they moved the flag and photographers into position so they could take pictures. If they were afraid of the shooter taking another shot they would have gotten him out of there immediately, but they weren’t afraid because they knew it was staged and they had the photo op all ready to go.

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              On top of that, lets say it were real…why have we not heard of any trial? We sure hear about every little detail from Luigis court proceedings. I remember last month reading they moved which cell he’s in.

              Not moving jails. Just “you’re in this cell…well now you’re going to that cell over there”. That made the news. But the guy who tried to shoot trump just vanishes? The media doesn’t mention his name after a day or two.

              Then you got trump sticking his thumbs up over the secret service. You’re telling me the guy who IN HIS HEALTHIEST DAYS OF HIS YOUTH dodged a vietnam draft, but in his elderly years is fighting 10 secret servicemen to stick his bloody hand up to give a thumbs up while an active sniper is trying to shoot him???

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            The photo op was far too pointed and choreographed.

            Normally, secret service are more efficient than that.

            In addition, Trump didn’t act scared. Later, he put the golden ratio photo op photo on his wall.