• nullify3112@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Harris said Democrats should be “uncompromising” and “not sit around, you know, being genteel about the relationships” but maintain accountability when it comes to cuts to healthcare and oversight on the Iran war.

    Ok so now Dems are ok with this war? Am I the only one who still thinks Trump blatantly started a war without congressional approval and should be impeached for it?

    Maintain accountability for healthcare cuts? Are they saying that austerity is coming back even stronger and they want to use Trump as a shield for their right wing agenda ?

    Class traitors all of them…

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      No, she’s saying that instead of doing more impeachments (which might grab headlines but are otherwise entirely useless when there will not be a conviction) Democrats should focus on things that they can actually influence in a positive way.

      In a sane world where results matter more than vibes, it’s a good idea. But as you can see by the comments in this post, vibes are way more important than actual results.

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        I guess I’m just unhappy with the overall situation. It sets the precedent that a president cannot be impeached if they have a majority in the senate.

        I also believe that there would be a threshold at which the rats would leave the sinking ship: given trumps ratings, the process of impeachment would turn a few cloaks. But Harris is a better politician that I am, she must know this is not the time.

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          Same. Although I think this is less setting precedent and more revealing reality…media consolidation has made presidents immune to consequences if they are not up against a supermajority.

          Although I’ve also noticed a trend to the same thing in (ostensibly) democratic voters, specifically with stuff like the Epstein files. Egregious legal violations have become so normalized by the GOP that people are pissed the Democrats do, in fact, still follow laws instead of just leaking shit that has been sealed by a federal judge.

          Unfortunately, I think trumpy has managed to hit the absolute floor of approval ratings. Roughly a third of any given population is highly authoritarian and will follow any leader that exhibits high social dominance traits. Given an antisocial enough leader, that third of the population will behave in a similarly antisocial way. theauthoritarians.org

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        How can Democrats influence either of those things? The war is illegal, the recourse is impeachment. Healthcare is legislation. The same senators that will deny a supermajority for impeachment will deny overriding a veto.

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          They could put pressure on the people that don’t have global name recognition and cult-like devotion from a third of the country, not to mention probable dementia and bulletproof narcissism.

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                16 hours ago

                How does that pass healthcare changes over a veto? The people stopping these concrete actions are the Republicans. While we 100% need to not have any Democratic traitors. That doesn’t override a veto.

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                  Wut?

                  No, I mean more along the lines of making sure generals know that their asses are gonna be up on trial for just following orders after trumpy kicks the bucket.

                  trump isn’t doing it on his own. He has proven himself to be untouchable…but the people following his orders are not.

        • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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          The war is illegal, the recourse is impeachment.

          Well, you don’t understand how Congress works.

          First, Congress decides if we go to war or not. They tried to pass legislation stopping it, but the Republicans had enough power to stop that legislation.

          Second, impeachment is NOT the recourse. Impeachment is a strictly political process (not judicial), where if two thirds of each chamber of Congress wants Trump gone, they vote him gone. That’s what it boils down to. And since there’s not two thirds of each chamber wanting him gone, he will not be going using that method.

          I understand that people want things to magically happen, but the only way things magically happen is if the people get out on the streets and force them to happen. I want a winning lottery ticket and a pony, but wanting that shit ain’t gonna do shit. I have to know how to make it happen.