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And then the comment section went quiet, as all the russian bots crawled back in the .ml Yandex servers to lower their token amount until the next election.
Sleep tight russian bots.
If both parties weren’t controlled by billionaires then they wouldn’t be donating to both parties.
Still, I vote anyway because why not? Especially with mail-in voting, it’s barely any effort or time.
Of all the things cynical George Carlin was wrong about, he was the wrongest about that.
Get rid of the nazi plague. Hunt them down, put them in prison.
We must defeat fascism by any means necessary.
Even if it means voting.
pffft, both the same? no, no, no.
you generally get to pick between an oligarch and a corporatist.
but you should still make a choice. just know that once a country is completely run by oligarchs, there are only two paths: tyranny or revolution.
In California, there’s a billionaire tax proposition to make up for federal health care funding cuts.
Guess which side democratic governor Newsom is on.
Yeah I don’t get the people who refuse to take a side and say that neither party is perfect. On the one hand you have people who have done some bad things, and held some wrong positions. On the other you have the literal Epstein Regime. Even if we don’t 100% agree with them, we must all support the Islamic Republic of Iran in their struggle. Criticising them right now is counterproductive. After they’ve glassed every Epsteini base in West Asia, we can try to push them to adopt better positions.
God the cynicism in this thread is depressing.
You know why your vote doesn’t matter? …because you talk yourself out of getting of your lazy ass and using your vote.
If people who posted this shit spent their time and energy during the primaries telling people it’s a dumb fuck decision to be voting for politicians who support genocide and blocking strikes we’d all be a lot better off. Those people are our biggest obstacle. We cannot mount a strategic offense against fascism with these people undermining our efforts in every primary. Regardless of our opinions on the success of third way politics it is time to admit it’s lost to Trump twice and something needs to change.
Billionaires are spending a fortune in both parties, so that their influence in the lawmaking process is secured. Therefore, this meme falls flat. Vote nevertheless, because your only other option is civil disobedience or all out class war
Reposting my own comment here:
I live somewhere with 2 Republicans on the ballot for one seat with no write in line.
I could have not voted at all on that item, but that wouldn’t have helped anybody but the worst of the two candidates.
I poured through more interviews and candidate statements from these two trashy people than any other candidate I voted for, just to find the one that was the least evil.
I still hate them both, but I voted for one to try and stem the bleeding because that’s how our Democracy works.
And adding a quote from Rage Against the Machine’s Tom Morello:
But in any and every contested race, as my mom Mary Morello always said, we have to fight the fascist every which way we can, recognizing that even if there’s but an inch of difference between two candidates, there are a lot of vulnerable people who could be greatly harmed in that inch.
Remider that voting in a Democracy is the bare minimum.
Everday citizens can protest, attend town halls, call their elected officials (or their opponents) and make their views heard. You can donate money, and if you can’t donate money, you can donate time, and if you can’t donate time, you can bring attention to issues that you want to change in your everyday life.
Voting is the most important thing you can do right now, but don’t forget the other stuff. Behind every politician is a team, behind that team are supporters, and behind the supporters are voters. You get to choose your level of engagement.
No shame on people that only vote. That’s better than 4 out 5 other Americans this year.
If only you lived in a democracy, lmao.
You know it’s been an oligarchy since your country’s founding right?
How’s the weather in Moscow?
You know I don’t give a fuck.
Of course you don’t. Libs never give a fuck, until it affects them. When its marginalized people, or foreigners, Libs are out to brunch. But when Imperialsm turns to Fascism, suddenly Libs start whining like a bunch of babies.
Yeah, and tankie shitnuggets can’t even rise to that level of moral duplicity on their best fucking day.
You think that the people who constantly support foreigners and marginalized people… don’t give a fuck about foreigners and marginalized people?
And yet I see Libs openly throwing those groups under the bus at the first opportunity.
Nope.
What is it that you think tankies do? Historically, tankies formed the Black Panther Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and the CPUSA (before they turned reformist). The tankies are regularly on the streets, donating time and money to building a better world.
What is it that you think tankies do?
Annoy the living shit out of every person in their general vicinity?
Say the dumbest shit imaginable on a consistent basis?
Talk the talk but never walk the walk?
Cry lots?
Hahaha sure buddy
Lol, you think tankies do anything but cheer on the crushing of students with military vehicles and encourage channeling dissent into inaction and subjugation. What a bunch of fucking losers.
Edit: if you keep reading, Cowbee here goes HAM on not just defending, but promoting the human rights and democratic process of North Korea, just so you know the level of disingenuous propaganda they are peddling.
“fuck you, got mine” is as American as apple pie, and not just for republicans.
A tried and true Democratic classic!
Good luck with that 👍
Don’t need luck. Need people to fucking vote.
For some reason I don’t think it’s gonna help much, lol. Could it be because you don’t live in a democracy? 🤔
Good luck with that.
The best defense you have for not voting is a single summary of an abstract of a poly-sci study done at one university 12 fucking years ago which I’m sure as fuck you didn’t read because it’s locked behind a paywall and clearly above the literacy level of any tankie fungal infection. Get serious or get lost.
Everyone else should keep fucking voting.
Edit: read more, this joker didn’t even bother to read the name of the university, let alone the summary of the abstract of a paywalled poly-sci journal.
Could it be because you don’t live in a democracy?
I just submitted a ballot. People who I have voted for have won. Some of them have been underdogs. Some of them even accomplished things they said they would.
That’s democracy, champ.
You .ml losers really know how to crash a party. Probably why you’re not invited to any.
This entire comment section shows how afraid you guys are afraid of being pushed out of windows.
Oh look, a twenty day old ml account trying to stop people from voting.
Link me where I said not to vote. I won’t hold my breath.
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I love how Libs have to keep making up things rather than address the points being made. It lets me know how serious they are.
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They’re right, cry about it
Y’all are a sensitive lot. So easily triggered and you have a meltdown, like a snowflake.
The person who throws a hissy fit when people say “your country isn’t actually a democracy” is complaining about others being a snowflake. The irony.
If voting didn’t matter they wouldn’t be trying to take it from you. You’re working for MAGA.
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Presumably an unopposed seat on a ballot proves some generalized point about elections or America or something.
It’s California. There’s an open primary, I happen to live in one of the few red parts and for one spot the top two vote getters in the primary were Republican.
They didn’t run unopposed, the opposition just all failed to get a consensus. CA’s system isn’t perfect, but realistically a Democrat doesn’t have a chance in this particular district, maybe the less evil Republican has a shot though.
US elections involve some compromise. Vote for your ideal candidate in the primary, but after that there’s generally only 2 people who have any shot at a given seat, and throwing away your vote in protest helps the worst candidates succeed. That’s why elections spend so much money on attack ads - they want you feeling discouraged.
The meme also assumes billionares are spending all that money on one side. They spend it on both (bankman-fried who publicly donated to dems and secretley donated to republicans so he could guide regulations, have the ear of government, maybe even get an edge on people.) So its not like the parties truly are that different.
Didn’t Morello advocate for non-voting?
Yes and no, mostly no, but it’s open to interpretation.
Short version, he bragged about not voting for Harris, with the nuance (which is so easily lost in today’s society) that she was all but guaranteed to win California, so his protest vote did not, on it’s own, risk contributing to Donald Trump’s second term.
The flip side of that nuance is that his rhetoric about the subject, without the additional context, may discourage voting in swing states, which could help Trump/Republicans in a much more significant way than just not voting for Harris in California.
His follow-up statements clarified his stance, including the quote I provided.
His behavior overall was messy, but that quote holds up nicely on its own.
If this is your situation and you can’t even vote for the lesser of two evils or tactfully, you can spoil your ballot. It shows that you are not represented by the options given but also still believe in the need for representation and the democratic system. I drew a box that said none of the above.
And your vote got tossed in the box after being electronically tabulated like everyone else’s where no human ever even saw it. That guy’s actually accomplished something.
And what did clambake’s vote accomplish, that tazeycrazy’s didnt?
Do you prefer the smell of shit or rotten food? Both are bad, yet you still probably prefer one over the other. But if you turn up your nose when presented with the choice then you don’t get to complain about intestinal parasites or half-digested corn when someone plops a big pile o’ shit on your plate.
Well it’s a good thing that there’s more options than that. The reason we keep getting these dishes is that Libs keep pretending that there are only two options.
One more vote for the least bad option. One less vote for the worse option. The other idiots ballot was spoiled and so contributes to whoever wins. Our system sucks but it isn’t that complicated. Too complicated for tankies and both sidesers though.
And what did that accomplish? From what I see: absolutely nothing.
You know what contributes more to the Republicans winning? The Democrats refusing to do what their voters want, on easy to win topics, and the Democrat voters pretending that they are worth supporting.
The democratics are doing what their voters want insofar as they can without having any real power the last decade. What you’re actually wondering if why the democratic party doesn’t cater to the progressives and general public that don’t vote in primaries or generals for democratics. But why would the democratic party cater to non-voters? They don’t vote. May as well be republicans. You fix that by running progressives and voting in the democratic primaries. It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
The democratics are doing what their voters want insofar as they can without having any real power the last decade.
Well, no. None of that is true actually. They had plenty of power under Biden and Obama, but chose to screw over their voters instead of helping them out.
What you’re actually wondering if why the democratic party doesn’t cater to the progressives and general public that don’t vote in primaries or generals for democratics. But why would the democratic party cater to non-voters? They don’t vote.
No, I’m not wondering that at all. They don’t cater to progressives and the general public, because their rich doners tell them not to. They also know that those people won’t vote for someone who fights against them. To get more voters they could run popular policies that people like, and then actually deliver on them. Hell, there was a whole movement warning Harris that she was going to lose votes if she kept running unpopular positions, and she told them to sit down, and shut up. So she lost votes.
If they delivered for the people, then the people would vote for them. You have your cause and effect backwards.
May as well be republicans.
So you think people who don’t want the US to back genocide, and want policies that help the workers are just like Republicans? Because that doesn’t make any sense.
You fix that by running progressives and voting in the democratic primaries. It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
And what have the progressives accomplished? They’ve had power for a long time, and spent it all pretending that the Democratic leadership weren’t horrible monsters.
I want a party that fights for the people, not to keep the monsters in charge.
It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
And yet you seem the be the one that doens’t know how it works. 🙄
How does your solution of letting republicans win benefit the people? Explain in detail with examples please.
I didn’t let the Republicans win, the Democrats did. They had the chance to run on popular policies that helped out the voters, but instead chose to support the Republicans, and help build out fascism.
Here’s a great example: Seattle raised their mimimum wage, made the rich pay more taxes, and helped Amazon workers fight back against Amazon, becuase we elected a Socialist who faught against the Democrats.
Do you not understand that “none of the above” isn’t runnng? Someone will get elected regardless of your forfeit to whichever side wins- and you just surrendered your vote to them.
Congrats on the hard work it must have been to intentionally still not learn how shit works this entire time. It must have been exhausting.
You could have shit on your ballot and left it there
Then none of my votes get counted.
And I keep saying that if stemming the bleeding is the best we can hope for, then that’s how democracy fails. Vote for the slightly-better candidate, by all means, that’s the best move in the here-and-now. But, unless we change the rules, it’s gonna be the same best move next time, too, and the patient only has so much blood.
Morello makes a very Utilitarian argument. The trouble is that it works equally well when your choice is between Hitler, who wants to murder 5,000,000 people, and Hitler Lite, who wants to murder 4,999,995 people. It makes all the difference for those 5 people, and voting for Hitler Lite is the best move.
My math is a little off, but can you remind me how many people died after 2018, again?
I recall it was more than one. COVID alone, I think it was somewhere north of a million, in fact.
I purposely had the amount on the republican side get cut off. It could go on for millions if it needs to. It’s hard to pin down a number.
I noticed you also didn’t include all the dead Palestinians the democrats created! American lives are clearly the only important ones lol.
If we add the dead palestinians, the amount of deads on the republican’s track tripples while it would have been a lot less on the Democrat side.
Thank you for proving why voting democrats is important, even though you are an 28 day old .ml account.
Wtf? More Palestinians were killed under Biden than trump. That’s a fact lol.
Hey look, the Palestinian card. And oh look, it’s the only card you’re holding in your hand. What a shocker.
This cartoon symbolizes one election cycle. We can argue about how many people should be depicted on the siding, but since there are 16 people on the main line, the Utilitarian argument works even if there are up to 15. And that’s what’s been happening: Labor got tied to the tracks in the '70s with the election of Jimmy Carter. Poor people joined them with the election of Bill Clinton. Palestine as a whole got tied to the tracks next to them in 2024. And now, they’re flirting with adding trans people to the line-up. And, no, that does not obviate the fact that the Republicans are indeed worse.
But that’s beside my point. This cartoon doesn’t depict the erosion of democracy and the crumbling of civil institutions. That can only go on for so long before the whole system fails.
That’s a lot of words to say “Republican fine”
Fuck the switch, rip up the rails.
Great, when are you going to start?
I bet you won’t do shit. You just want Republicans to win so you can feel better about your own country.
But even if fascism hell breaks loose in the US, it still wouldn’t come close to the shithole that is Russia. The KGB are just Nazis with a winter coat on.
On the other tracks should be millions of people in the global south
Tankies are bad people. Just to let you know
You are extremely stupid
Ha, you guys aren’t even denying to be tankies anymore.
Imperialist Russia is on the brink of collapse, and I just bought a pop-corn machine.
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Wanna try again?
That’s great, but my comment has nothing whatsoever to do with tankies.
I don’t see a meaningful difference between accelerationist types
Sounds like you have an intellectual disability
What are you on about, now?
Tankies. College kidz on drugs. Russian propaganda beneficiaries. Billionaire bots. Liberal-haters.
They put on quite a show here and in a few other places near election times. Afterwards they tend to fizzle out. Or stick to one or two comms about gaming.
Gamers with a hard R.
It’s what they did in 2024.
First, this user tells me that tankies are bad. Tankies think that the system is bad, and that its collapse is an unqualified good.
Then, they switched to accelerationists. Accelerationists want the system to collapse hard and fast, so that people don’t acclimate to poorer conditions, and get motivated to fix the system.
Meanwhile, I’m warning that the system is going to collapse, and we need to fix it ASAP.
Hence, my question. What the heck is they on about, now?
We’ve explained to you so many times how you’re using the word wrong and yet you continue to do it. You’re a terrible troll.
You’re very obviously a tankie with your comment history.
I’m not sure what definition of tankie you’re using, but it’s not one I’m familiar with. Unless, like terrorist, it’s lost all denotative meaning and is just an insult to be hurled at people you don’t like.
Gotta love a commie. They’re too far gone and can’t negotiate quite a simple system
It’s almost like they have a different motive lol, idiots
This meme would hit harder if billionaires didn’t also spend fortunes on influencing democrats. Did you think Newsom blocked the billionaire tax out of the kindness of his own heart? About 60% of aipac funds goes to democrats. You think they’re just pissing away their money there?
So what am I supposed to make of all the huge billboards, text and phone campaigns, professional advertisements, and pushing by companies like Google telling me to vote?
In many cases the money being spent isn’t to influence the outcome, that has already been decided by gerrymandering, and all the other fuckery that goes on. The money is spent to influence the candidate and their actions after winning…
