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I love how controversial this is. Lib meter off the charts.
Material analysis, systemic analysis, these processes give clarity: it is a machine that needs to be dismantled.
This braindeadism would be so funny to watch if America wouldn’t drag everyone else down with them.
Sorry to tell you guys, but your only option in the foreseeable future is to vote for the democrats and pray they prove a tiny bit better. You have nothing else in your hands. Third party votes are political suicide. So is not voting. Even if the Dems are bad, they are not fascists (for now). Pray they don’t become fascists.
Cheers from a place far, far (but not far enough) away.
they are not fascists (for now)
Your daily reminder that liberals don’t consider non-westeners human
The Democrats would not do something as self-destructive as invading Iran.
Kamala literally said that Iran is one of the greatest threats… Just look at their foreign policies instead of domestic ones. You’d see that there is not any difference between them at all. Only reason that liberals care about Trump is that he’s mean about it and that’s the extend on which libs think this issue ends on.
Thinking people are opposed to Trump invading Iran, or opposed to Trump in general because he’s “mean” is misguided at best. If Trump had gone through the correct channels, and gotten congressional approval for the “strategic combat operations” weve been involved in, nobody would have anything to complain about (other than the obvious “no new wars” and higher gas prices, but thats a different topic entirely). Trump acts as though he has absolute power in the seat of the executive, and has unfortunately surrounded himself with loyal cronies that wont tell him no. I dont give a fuck that he’s mean (it isnt even that he is, he honestly acts like a 1st grade playground bully), but I do give a fuck about him following the law, being held accountable when he doesn’t, and that he follows correct etiquette when making decisions that will effect the entire country.
nobody would have anything to complain about
Absolutely psychopathic thing to say.
Already addressed this before your post and under you. Do some more reading before just throwing shit around.
You still said it
You guys only have one joke, and it was barely funny back when it was relevant. Given everything that’s going on right now, it’s just sad.
We get it, you’re still mad at the commies for not falling in line behind Girlboss Hitler
No. I’m mad that the American left is so politically uneducated that they can’t tell the difference between a Liberal and a literal Fascist. You guys all think they’re the same…even though from a historical standpoint, Fascists hate Liberals almost as much as they hate Socialists.
And it makes me sad that people don’t even realize that it’s the Fascists that want you to think the Liberals are worse than they are…all while convincing the Liberals that Socialists are the ones that want to take away their freedoms.
The democrats are a party of imperialists, just like the republicans. Neither party is capable of changing the US Empire for the better, because both are fully committed to the imperial project. Fascists and liberals actually get along a lot better than you think, because both are fundamentally on the same side of imperialism and capitalism while socialists are on the opposite.
That shows a remarkable lack of understanding about how democracy works. Voters decide who makes up those parties. And Democrats especially are not all the same. Many of them are not imperialists. Unfortunately, many of them are…but it isn’t universal. And the only way to tip the balance against imperialism, is to run leftists for every possible position there is. Up and down the ballot.
But, then you have to actually show up and vote for them when they are in the race. If you don’t…then nothing will ever change.
Really? That’s funny, I seem to remember the DNC canceling the primary last election. Huh. Odd for a party where, “the voters decide who makes up the party”.
No, voters do not decide who makes up the DNC and the GOP. Their donors do. Who you can vote for is already pre-approved by their donors. Secondly, the DNC is an imperialist party, because they all wish to retain the IMF, NATO, capitalism itself, and all that goes into imperialism as the necessary endpoint of late-stage capitalism.
The only way to fight against the US Empire is by overthrowing it. As long as capitalism is maintained, so too will imperialism be maintained. You cannot have late-stage capitalism without imperialism, and the democrats can’t go against their donor-base, which is where they derive their political power from.
What is sad is that the US political establishment are still pushing the Democrats as an alternative and Americans are too fucking stupid to do anything about it and self police even on alternative platforms like Lemmy
No…what’s actually sad, is that even when there are better alternatives, leftists don’t bother showing up to vote. That’s how we got here. Whenever there’s a chance for us to pull things back to the left…half of us just sit down and whine about how pointless it is to pull.
Name the better alternative
Well, there was Bernie Sanders in 2020. But like I said…no one bothered to show up and vote…so we got Biden. And then we got Trump again. Every time there’s a chance to pull things left, we drop the rope.
Why did nobody bother to show up and vote?
The best alternative liberal Zionist Bernie Sanders who even if he had received all the votes you wanted would have just been undermined and sabotaged again by the DNC establishment like in 2016. You can’t vote the fascism away. The ruling class is not going to politely expropriate themselves. You should read Luxemburg’s “reform or revolution”.
Bernie isn’t a liberal, dude. And I can’t imagine what you would consider “good enough”, if you don’t think that even trying to drag the window back to the left is worth it.
In 2016, we got a taste. It was a surprise for everyone, just how close we actually came to overturning the status quo. But, you’re right…they had the game rigged. Except by 2020, there were no more super-delegates. And we had four years to get our shit together. All we had to do, was convince even more people to show up.
And we failed. Not only did we not get more to show up…we had way less people show up. The left quit. They sat down and pouted about 2016, instead of standing the fuck up and fighting back.
You can blame it all on “the system” if you want to. You can sit there and cry about how they control everything, and we’re all powerless to do anything about it. If you want to give up, then give up. But you’re forgetting that no matter how much money they can spend on this…votes are still the only thing that matters. If enough people vote the same way, it doesn’t matter how much money they have…we will still win.
But if you let them convince you that your vote doesn’t matter, and that you should just give up and stay home…then they will win. Every. Fucking. Time. And that’s how we got here. They keep winning because we keep giving up.
Bernie is absolutely a liberal. Calling him anything else ignores what he actually proposes. He wants to regulate capital, not expropriate it. He wants to blunt capitalism’s worst edges at home while leaving the imperial core intact. That is social democracy at best, a liberal ideology. His own platform accepts the basic framework of private ownership of the means of production. He seeks to manage the crisis, not resolve its root cause. That is precisely the reformism Luxemburg critiqued a century ago in the work I already recommended. You really should read it.
Electoralism under liberal democracy is not a path to socialism. It is a containment strategy. The ballot box is designed to channel dissent into harmless rituals that leave property relations untouched. You think stacking votes can overcome capital’s structural power. But capital does not rule through votes. It rules through ownership of production, control of credit, domination of media, and monopoly on organised violence. When the vote threatens those foundations, the mask comes off. The courts block, the capital strikes, the media smears, the state represses. This is not conspiracy. It is the normal functioning of the bourgeois state. Expecting otherwise is like expecting a wolf to vote itself vegetarian.
Your entire argument rests on idealist assumptions. You treat consciousness as primary and material conditions as secondary. You think changing minds at the ballot box changes the balance of class forces. That is backwards. Social being determines social consciousness, not the other way around. You mistake the form of democracy for its content. You ignore that the two-party system is a mechanism to limit political competition to factions of capital, not to enable working-class rule. You cite 2016 and 2020 as if they were isolated failures of strategy, not expressions of a system that structurally excludes anti-capitalist politics. You blame the left for “quitting” instead of asking why the electoral arena absorbs and neutralises radical energy every single time. This is not analysis. It is moralising.
I am Chinese, not American. We had our revolution. We broke the bourgeois state and built a system where the vote actually means something because it is embedded in democratic centralism and whole-process people’s democracy, not trapped in a ballot box ritual that changes nothing. These electoralist squabbles about which faction of capital should manage the American empire are none of my concern outside of the theoretical interest I take in educating and engaging in dialogue with comrades in a much different situation.
I know it sounds cliché to say “read theory,” but genuinely, every idealist assumption you are recycling has been academically addressed and refuted for decades.
