• teolan@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Fuck religion but fuck stupid laws like this. Seriously this is just as stupid as the age verification stuff everyone he is mad about.

    People have the right to do their rituals if it makes them feel good…

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    3 days ago

    Interesting to see so many comments defending religion, especially one particular religion. Anyway, IMO religion should be always a private matter. If you don’t like certain rules or laws, nobody is preventing you to leave and be happy somewhere else. So, if a Christian is not happy in a Muslim country due to restrictions, the person can move to a Christian or secular country. If a Muslim is not happy in a basically Christian or secular country, there are many Muslim countries, which will allow him or her to follow the rules of the religion. So, everybody is happy. Hence, what is the deal here?

    • Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      “Just give up your home, job, and family and likely become a refugee if you don’t agree with the prevailing religion. What’s the big deal?”

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    4 days ago

    At my university (US), one of my calculus professors with a 150+ student lecture hall would repeatedly open his lecture with a slide showing his church and an invitation for students to join him there on Sunday. Absolutely inappropriate to proselytize a captive audience under his power to pass/fail them. There has to be some accountability for universities to stop this, but not to harass a person wearing a cross necklace or a koppel or a hijab. Shame this is legislated at such a high level instead of people just being professional and not a*holes.

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    4 days ago

    Minister Roberge has previously stated that street prayers could be considered “acts of provocation.”

    Municipalities will be able to authorize them, but only under certain criteria. The new law will also ban the wearing of religious symbols by daycare educators. The government is also extending this ban to teachers and staff at private schools.

    Bloody ridiculous. This helps nobody.

    • Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Atheism is a religious stance, and is practiced like one. When it’s used to harm non-believers especially it’s really easy to see this.

      I wouldn’t give Christians or any other religion a pass on this, so I’m not giving Atheists one either.

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          20 hours ago

          Thanks.

          If whatever you believe means you feel you have the right to be unkind to people who believe otherwise, it’s problematic. Even if you want to hold onto a different definition of whatever it is you believe, if you use it as an excuse to be unkind it’s still a problem. It’s not the label that’s the problem, it’s the behavior.

          If you end up acting just like them, why should anyone believe you’re any different?

          Very “it’s not a warcrime if it’s not wartime” energy.

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            16 hours ago

            Sounds something that a nazi would say.

            It’s the same tolerance paradox. I don’t have to be kind if your “beliefs” create suffering.

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                Text comprehension isn’t your strongest side, is it? But then again, religion has been suppressing education for centuries, so it makes sense.

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          Almost every religion has a tenant of the rejection of every other religion, and then goes on to persecute the other ones believers.

          If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck… it might be a duck.

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            That doesn’t make atheism a religion, nor does atheism call for the persecution of anyone. Your logic is flawed and your argument is factually incorrect.

            All ducks have legs, but not all birds with legs are ducks.

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              20 hours ago

              A muscovy duck isn’t a duck. Technically.

              But if someone complains about all the misbehaving ducks in the pond and your defense for your duck’s musbehaviour is “technically not a duck!” you’re not really saying anything of worth.

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      4 days ago

      Secularism? As long as it’s applied across the board - including Christians and others - this seems sensible.

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          Generally speaking? I suspect most of our issues currently and previously are either caused by religions or are using religions in a form or another. Look at USA / Israel if that’s not obvious. Even Buddhists have been killing over religion. Sects in Japan have done horrible things…

          I could remove 1 trait of humanity I would seriously consider removing the soft spot for the love of mysticisms.

          And thus limiting religious practices is sensible and has the benefit to decrease exposure to non involved persons.

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            Great harm had been done in the name it religion but you’re overlooking the good that’s been done.

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              I don’t think the good comes anywhere close to balancing the evils justified by religion.

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                Religions do call for a lot of violence don’t get me wrong. I’d even make the claim that most evil acts that we attribute to religion tend to have it as a pretense. The crusades for instance each had a main goal that was there independent of religion.

                But then you have the good that religions mandate. Sikhism with IRS community meals for instance. Zakat in Islam is another good example.

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                  Antisemitism doesn’t happen without religion. Think about everything downstream of the Judaism/Christianity/Islam splits. Think about the impact of The Church being the de facto cultural force in Europe for a millennium. Think about how much harder it is to whip a population into supporting your expensive conquest without a Divine Right or Moral Imperative. Sikhism exists because of how shitty life was under Islam and Hinduism in the region, their current “mostly chill” status does not negate the past suffering.

                  And in a broader sense, consider how much fraud exists because people are willing to accept claims not backed by evidence. The normalization of magical thinking is probably as harmful as the actual power wielded by entities like the Catholic Church.

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      3 days ago

      And government is the perfect entity to decide what groups get that label, they have never called Trans people “delusional” to go after them in Academia. /s