I mean let’s be real minstrel shows are explicitly a western concept, and were huge in the US. Go down another comment and I addressed the UK as well, but really that’s going to apply anywhere Americans were during WW2 as well.
Anywhere that minstrel shows were popular by the 1950s most of those people would have at least seen a black person. America or otherwise.
Idk maybe all the black Americans actively fighting in some of Europe’s most populous countries during WW2 and the following American presence after the war.
And that’s ignoring the interactions between European nations and their African colonies. I’ll ignore the human zoos as well
Black US troops (which were segregated from the white troops) did not exactly run around on vacation in the french countryside.
Most French, Dutch, Englishmen, (among others) did not go to any colony. They stayed home… working their normal jobs. Farming the land, making shoes, sewing clothes, building houses. Etc.
And while we’re just starting to grasp the concept of US not being the entire world. I have to inform you of the next class, which will cover the fact that France and Germany is not even close to “most of europe”.
Vacationing lol okay, I suppose all of the civilians left when any military was around so they never saw each other, oh wait that’s ridiculous.
I said the most populous countries in Europe. Germany, France, Italy and the UK all had very heavy military presence during and after the war. After is kinda key since soldiers were allowed to leave base and go to the towns.
Of course there are other European nations they were in too. Of the most populous nations they met the Soviets in Germany, but did not obviously make it to Russia. Not a majority of the Russian population but not insignificant. These troops would interact a bit during the occupation of Germany but that was limited as the cold war intensified.
In colonies you seem to forget people did travel both ways. Obviously more European based nationals traveled there, but people flowed both ways.
Btw troops were desgregated in 1948 during a period where the US was expanding military presence across most of western Europe. And even during the war do you think the battlefield was segregated? That’s crazy talk
Certainly some very interesting and interpretive takes though
Except for the fact that the vast majority of black soldiers went home and were not deployed in Europe after Germany surrendered.
What does it matter if they were segregated on the battlefield or not, you think there were civilians on the battlefield?
Contrary to what you might believe. Natives in the colonies were not exactly rich. Even in France, during the 50’s the amount of black individuals was measured in a couple of thousand. Not exactly a lot compared to the roughly 40 million french.
Your statement was that the majority of europeans in the 50’s had seen black people with their own eyes. And that’s just not true. I sure plenty had heard about them. Maybe seen pictures. But that’s another thing.
I did not see a black person in real life until i was 16 in 2010 and traveled to Florida. And by then i had already traveled around Germany and France. I do not imagine the probability of bumping into one was higher in the 50’s
I know it’s difficult to grasp the idea that the world is larger than just the US. But you’ll just have to try.
I mean let’s be real minstrel shows are explicitly a western concept, and were huge in the US. Go down another comment and I addressed the UK as well, but really that’s going to apply anywhere Americans were during WW2 as well.
Anywhere that minstrel shows were popular by the 1950s most of those people would have at least seen a black person. America or otherwise.
The whole idea of minstrel shows was to mock africans. Seeing a white guy in blackface is not equivalent to seeing a black person.
What the fuck are you talking about?
My whole point was by 1950 most white people had seen a black person and that their only idea wasn’t a minstrel show
What makes you think “most white people” in Europe had seen a real black person in 1950?
Idk maybe all the black Americans actively fighting in some of Europe’s most populous countries during WW2 and the following American presence after the war.
And that’s ignoring the interactions between European nations and their African colonies. I’ll ignore the human zoos as well
Wow. I don’t even know where to begin.
Black US troops (which were segregated from the white troops) did not exactly run around on vacation in the french countryside.
Most French, Dutch, Englishmen, (among others) did not go to any colony. They stayed home… working their normal jobs. Farming the land, making shoes, sewing clothes, building houses. Etc.
And while we’re just starting to grasp the concept of US not being the entire world. I have to inform you of the next class, which will cover the fact that France and Germany is not even close to “most of europe”.
Vacationing lol okay, I suppose all of the civilians left when any military was around so they never saw each other, oh wait that’s ridiculous.
I said the most populous countries in Europe. Germany, France, Italy and the UK all had very heavy military presence during and after the war. After is kinda key since soldiers were allowed to leave base and go to the towns.
Of course there are other European nations they were in too. Of the most populous nations they met the Soviets in Germany, but did not obviously make it to Russia. Not a majority of the Russian population but not insignificant. These troops would interact a bit during the occupation of Germany but that was limited as the cold war intensified.
In colonies you seem to forget people did travel both ways. Obviously more European based nationals traveled there, but people flowed both ways.
Btw troops were desgregated in 1948 during a period where the US was expanding military presence across most of western Europe. And even during the war do you think the battlefield was segregated? That’s crazy talk
Certainly some very interesting and interpretive takes though
Except for the fact that the vast majority of black soldiers went home and were not deployed in Europe after Germany surrendered.
What does it matter if they were segregated on the battlefield or not, you think there were civilians on the battlefield?
Contrary to what you might believe. Natives in the colonies were not exactly rich. Even in France, during the 50’s the amount of black individuals was measured in a couple of thousand. Not exactly a lot compared to the roughly 40 million french.
Your statement was that the majority of europeans in the 50’s had seen black people with their own eyes. And that’s just not true. I sure plenty had heard about them. Maybe seen pictures. But that’s another thing.
I did not see a black person in real life until i was 16 in 2010 and traveled to Florida. And by then i had already traveled around Germany and France. I do not imagine the probability of bumping into one was higher in the 50’s
lies, lies! foreign countries are just made up for the movies