In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
I’m not arguing with that statement I was arguing that being undocumented is in fact illegal. As in its against the law. Regardless of how you feel about it.
And I will argue that is some very dubious context given how people are being treated. Like people are disappearing and you’re out here arguing they did a crime. Great job. Many of them aren’t even undocumented.
It’s like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
“fail to participate in the legal system”
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
American immigration system is dystopian as fuck.
Oh a parking ticket, like you get when you’re parking illegally? https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01986
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
Existing isn’t a crime.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
“Being” isnt a crime. again, civil violation doesn’t make you a criminal.
and it is quite racist to declare immigrants who committed no crimes as “being” illegal.
Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person. It’s not even a felony for heavens sake.
Right so you would agree that being undocumented is in fact illegal?
Yes, breaking the law is illegal. Do you understand that doesn’t make the person illegal or even a felon?
I didn’t say anything about a person being illegal or a felon. I said that being undocumented is illegal. Because it is.
Yes and further up the person was talking about how no person is illegal. So why are you even arguing?
I’m not arguing with that statement I was arguing that being undocumented is in fact illegal. As in its against the law. Regardless of how you feel about it.
And I will argue that is some very dubious context given how people are being treated. Like people are disappearing and you’re out here arguing they did a crime. Great job. Many of them aren’t even undocumented.