There are a multitude of social, legal, and economic policy changes that need to happen to make societies more resilient against this kind of culture war shit in the future. For extant populations the only way to de-radicalized them is with education, whether that’s voluntary or otherwise.
I’m certainly going to get down voted to oblivion, but the Chinese model is worth looking at. No civilization in human history has provided a higher standard of living to a larger population of individuals.
I like the idea of a true secular humanist end state, but as populations explode, I think we need a system that can function and deliver value at scale first; then we can gradually expand technological and ideological infrastructure for more direct democratic decision making.
It strikes me that finding ways to expand ideological freedom and democratic participation in the Chinese model would be orders of magnitude easier than scaling something like the Nordic model to more than a billion people.
I was told by a person who is a bit more cosmopolitan than me. However, with all the back and forth in the comments, and knowing that China has digital comm restrictions, we’ll never know unless we spend a lot of time there ourselves. One way or another, there is probably propaganda involved.
I looked into the electricity thing, apparently in 2014/2015 they reached essentially 99% coverage. They all have water but the issue is how clean the water is. Like 70% - 80% is questionable.
Don’t get me wrong, China definitely has its problems.
And yet you can’t be bothered to take 2 seconds? I’m not asserting the percentages as absolute fact chill out.
The issue with water in China isn’t that people don’t have access to any, it’s that some don’t have access to clean water. And of course they’re working on making it better.
Lol every accusation a confession tankie Mcgee.
Another guy posted 3 linked sources you’re ignoring. And let me guess, no matter what I post you’re just going to say it’s a fake source anyway. I’m sorry the great firewall blocks basic Google results for you.
So 1 actual study from 3 years ago, which concludes that the water specifically in Wuhan meets the countries safety standards and 2 unsourced travel blogs…
You are spreading propaganda in bad faith, as expected
There are a multitude of social, legal, and economic policy changes that need to happen to make societies more resilient against this kind of culture war shit in the future. For extant populations the only way to de-radicalized them is with education, whether that’s voluntary or otherwise.
I’m certainly going to get down voted to oblivion, but the Chinese model is worth looking at. No civilization in human history has provided a higher standard of living to a larger population of individuals.
I like the idea of a true secular humanist end state, but as populations explode, I think we need a system that can function and deliver value at scale first; then we can gradually expand technological and ideological infrastructure for more direct democratic decision making.
It strikes me that finding ways to expand ideological freedom and democratic participation in the Chinese model would be orders of magnitude easier than scaling something like the Nordic model to more than a billion people.
I thought China had a huge population of folks without running water or electricity.
Why do you believe that?
I was told by a person who is a bit more cosmopolitan than me. However, with all the back and forth in the comments, and knowing that China has digital comm restrictions, we’ll never know unless we spend a lot of time there ourselves. One way or another, there is probably propaganda involved.
I looked into the electricity thing, apparently in 2014/2015 they reached essentially 99% coverage. They all have water but the issue is how clean the water is. Like 70% - 80% is questionable.
Don’t get me wrong, China definitely has its problems.
You’re claiming that 80% of the Chinese population lacks access to clean water? You’re gonna need to provide a source on that incredulous claim.
I just googled it dude.
Yet you can’t provide a source…
And yet you can’t be bothered to take 2 seconds? I’m not asserting the percentages as absolute fact chill out.
The issue with water in China isn’t that people don’t have access to any, it’s that some don’t have access to clean water. And of course they’re working on making it better.
Except I already know the claim is bullshit… Hence the challenge.
You’re a propaganda bot.
Lol every accusation a confession tankie Mcgee. Another guy posted 3 linked sources you’re ignoring. And let me guess, no matter what I post you’re just going to say it’s a fake source anyway. I’m sorry the great firewall blocks basic Google results for you.
And if you were in good faith you could have invested these 2 sec yourself.
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/water.htm
https://www.thechinajourney.com/can-you-drink-tap-water-in-china/
https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/15/21/3709
So 1 actual study from 3 years ago, which concludes that the water specifically in Wuhan meets the countries safety standards and 2 unsourced travel blogs…
You are spreading propaganda in bad faith, as expected
Go away bot…
Why are you asking for fact sources if you plan on igorning them anyway?
Nvm, why do I even ask…