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- crimes_of_ice@lemmy.4d2.org
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- crimes_of_ice@lemmy.4d2.org
cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/49053959
Fans of Taylor Swift have been shocked after it emerged that a contractor for the controversial Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) was in attendance at her wedding.
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It appears that Steven J. Demetriou, the Executive Chair of a company called Amentum Services was also among the crowd gathered to see the happy couple say ‘I do.’
Amentum Services is currently the sole contractor for ICE’s Camp East Montana, a detention centre in El Paso.
The artist has faced swift backlash for her choice of guests, including online commenters who have shared their dismay on social media.
Dude wasn’t there as an ICE representative; he was there as a family friend. People need to chill.
I don’t think anyone was arguing that he was there as an ICE representative?
It is morally correct to socially ostracize people in your circle who collaborate with the gestapo.
I get your point but continue to disagree. What does excluding this person accomplish? Sure, he would have to sit that out while people with whom he has shared his life celebrate a milestone. It just doesn’t do anything; he’ll still be a gestapo collaborator and they’ll still be married.
In like, this one isolated case? Probably not much. I’m not particularly invested in this one specific guy and whether or not he went to this one event. What’s important to me is that every ICE agent or collaborator be made a social pariah for as long as they continue to be a part of the gestapo. I want it to be the case that everyone who considers joining or working with ICE has to weigh the fact that they’re gonna lose most of their friends and not be invited over for Thanksgiving with their families anymore before they make that decision. I don’t want to live in a world where someone can terrorize a community and kidnap and ship people off to camps, and then take off their uniform at the end of their shift and go out drinking with the boys like nothing happened. They shouldn’t be allowed to live under the delusion that what they do is acceptable and free from consequence in a civilized society. There should be social deterrences against this kind of thing. We can’t just be like “well that’s just what he does for work but off the clock he’s actually just a normal guy”. Not with this. They can reintegrate into society once they’ve come to their senses and finally understood why nobody wants to talk to them anymore.
Dude is literally a modern day slaver who profits from crimes against humanity
I get that, but in the context of this wedding he is just some dude’s dad. I’m not saying that he is a good dude. I’m just saying that I know fuck all about my friends’ parents, so him ending up at a wedding doesn’t mean much.
In the context of reality, he’s someone that owns a for-profit concentration camp.
That’s it.
Fucking period.
I think that people and situations are more complex than that and have nuance.
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No one is forcing them to own and earn a profit from a Concentration camp.
The only nuance here is the sheer amount of human suffering this person enjoys the benefits of.
I own a smartphone. It’s great. If I explore that whole supply chain, am I going to come out squeaky clean or is it possible that I am benefiting off of the exploitation and potential slavery of other humans? Is that a tolerable amount of suffering compared to the Concentration Camp guy?
Let’s just say I agree with your insanely stupid idea, that human suffering is some type of necessary evil.
You owning a product of human suffering is bad, but not as bad as owning the company athat causes the human suffering and profiting off if it.
I do not recall saying that human suffering is a necessary evil. I do recall saying that people’s value of one another is nuanced. Human suffering isn’t a necessary evil, it is just something that exists. Some people suffer more and some people suffer less, but everyone suffers and there isn’t anything evil about it.
This was called out and I admit that I was being a bit silly. I won’t pursue it.
But I could easily take the position that all human suffering is bad and therefore you, as a participant in capitalism, should be excluded from society.Why is your moral judgment more valid than mine in this instance?Tu quoque.
But also, fine.