• CosmoNova@lemmy.world
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    People seem to miss the point that it‘s probably more about information than anything else. They know this shit isn‘t productive. Deep down, they know they‘re selling crap. But it produces tons of data from users. Silicon valley knows this best. That‘s why they „protect AI companies“. They just want to harvest the data themselves.

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      There really is no better way to obtain data. And it’s not just data that’s fed into the AI, but also strategies, methods and processes: ideally, these are incorporated directly into the software.

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      Zitron is a pinnacle of you can be smart and foul mouthed. Part of the reason he succeeds at this is he actually knows where to properly put cusses in sentences and doesn’t overuse them (like me, for instance).

      There was evidence part of the reason people gravitated to Trump was that his foul and odious way of speaking seemed more “honest” because of the vulgarity. As someone who worked in local television news for 10 years, I can say that I think that’s true because it was always so clear that our newscasters were putting on a show and often had very few feelings whatsoever about what they were reporting on, or worse, genuinely were dismissive and cold to people in real tragedy. People have responded to that over time by realizing that all that faux-professionalism just really comes off as covering your ass and/or just using buzzwords to sound like you know how anything works at all when you don’t. It doesn’t come off as sincere, knowledgeable or, most importantly passionate.

      When we heard Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Mamdani speak, we can hear the passion they have in the way they speak. When we hear Centrist Dems like Chuck Schumer speak, we automatically hear the work of strategy to get people on their side, not that they really believe or care about what they’re doing. I don’t hear passion in Schumer’s voice for anything but Israel. Sanders, AOC, Mamdani, you can hear that passion that they have for citizens and protecting and lifting them up.

      Trump is passionate about himself and his followers are passionate about him, too, I guess. It’s that their is spurred by delusion and unaddressed mental health issues.

      Anyway, people need to speak more plainly and with more passion, Zitron is a prime example of doing it well. Other than Doctorow and maybe WIRED, I don’t know of any other really hard hitting evidence-based journalism on this stuff, and Doctorow is a little bit too up his own ass on coining fucking words. (In my humble opinion, Doctorow comes off as way too extremely online to connect his ideas with regular people, he’s just too much of a fucking nerd who can’t stop being a nerd long enough to jive with average people)

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    Good luck expanding that to the rest of the world which is just discovering that, while not perfect, China’s open weights models are

    a) good enough for 95% or all companies out there
    b) a lot cheaper, also because they’re
    c) self-hostable, meaning: they’ll always be available, unlike U.S. cloud AI which you’ll be cut off from whenever Diaper Donnie feels it’s time for yet another bribe.

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    I had to think about it for a bit but this is good news because it means less power consumed and CEOs will see it as US workers being more competitive (although AI doesn’t actually have any capability to compete with human work, but CEOs don’t know that).

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      The Chinese models are being released as open weight models, which are what people who want to run these systems locally are using. By banning them this just means that in the US only corporate models will be available to anyone.

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        The less access to AI, the better. These fucking slopbots produce liability in exchange for a third of our electricity, fuck em all straight to hell. I wish the Chinese would ban the US bots, too, if they haven’t yet.

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          The technology isn’t the problem. Believe it or not, LLMs are incredibly capable at a variety of tasks, including coding, curating news articles, writing and reading config files, system administration, note keeping / summarization / evaluation, and a whole lot more. Yes, there are a lot of things that an LLM is not good at, but just because I can’t fly a helicopter doesn’t mean I couldn’t drive you to the airport.

          The problem isn’t the technology, it’s the potential for the technology to be completely owned and operated by corporations rather than people.

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              no it isnt, pretty good at short projects and answering any question that has any source available online, the issue is when it runs out of memory or cant find a source, its superior to search engines and has been for years because seo, spam, and promotion ruined searching the normal way

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                pretty good at short projects and answering any question that has any source available online

                If it has a source online then the AI does nothing but obscures and pollutes that information until it is commonly wrong and/or useless.

                Any “short project” utilizing AI deserves to fail, and it will, because nobody wants to buy slop and the mere inclusion of AI degrades to value of everything it touches.

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                  why do you think short project means for sale or for anyone other than myself, stuff thatd take me many tutorials or enough learning time that it wouldnt feel worthwhile to do is made easy by ai and costs pennies at most with deepseek, I like automating things to happen like backups sent to my 2nd pc when certain files update, my browser session automatically copied as a second profile to it as well, I would never have bothered manually setting up the automation that ai did in seconds.

                  It’s extremely useful for mundane tasks for yourself, automating stuff you may not care to do manually, it’s your own problem if you think you need to sell everything and can’t find usecases for yourself.

                  It can also find and read logs better than I can, saves me a ton of time debugging and I always end up solving the problem. If you’re going off ai from 2 years ago, those with no real access to any agent tools or skills, or free models than ofc youd think they are incompetent but they are far from it. An indespensable tool that keeps me from needing to look up scripts and software that I end up not using because of the hassle involved compared to the importance of the automation.

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      This sort of “it doesn’t work and it has to be stopped” perspective baffles me. If it doesn’t work you don’t need to stop it, it’s going to stop itself.

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        Ponzi Schemes work, just not for the people who expect it to. When this scam reveals itself it’s the worlds major economies getting rug pulled and irreparable climate damage being done.