• gwheel@lemmy.zip
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    4 days ago

    I don’t think people are saying you personally are a bot, but you’re falling for narratives pushed by bots. By allowing republicans to win this past election, infinitely more harm has been caused than even most people’s worst predictions and absolutely zero harm has been prevented. USAID is gone which will lead to millions of deaths abroad, crackpots like RFK Jr have been legitimized causing deaths to diseases which were effectively eliminated, disaster relief is being denied to blue states, and of course Israel has more freedom than ever before to do whatever they want to the Palestinian people.

    Has any harm been reduced by allowing the republican party to have power? Can you acknowledge the harm that has already been caused by allowing them to have power?

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      3 days ago

      Democrats should have listened to people who were telling them they would lose if they kept supporting genocide.

      They were warned. They knew. They wanted genocide so badly they were willing to botch the election to make sure it kept going.

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      2 days ago

      I don’t think people are saying you personally are a bot, but you’re falling for narratives pushed by bots.

      People call me a bot quite a bit, sometimes a shill too, or a Russian troll. In reality, I’m a gay autistic over-educated furry from Scotland with hot takes firmly backed by strongly held values - that we should always work to minimize suffering and maximize happiness for ourselves and for all living things.

      I am not falling for anyone’s narratives. I arrive at all of my strongly held positions after a great deal of thought, consideration and evaluation. I am the person who speaks out against the popular narrative long before it becomes acceptable or even a matter of debate. I’m usually right years too early, sometimes decades. Maybe even centuries, on some topics, especially around youth liberation and anarchism. I have been an outspoken anti-zionist since 2010, for example.

      I will never say that Trump winning was a good thing. It was a fucking tragedy. But if Kamala had won in 2024, she would have done nothing to prevent the material conditions which are responsible for the rise of fascism. Republicans, MAGA, and fascists would all see the continued failures of liberalism and the Democratic party to address massively growing inequality. They would become more and more reactionary, aggressive and extreme. What if, at that point, an intelligent, charismatic fascist leader appeared, and united that base? Someone who doesn’t say the quiet part out loud, who did all the shit that Trump did, but was able to convince Americans that it was necessary, or even good?

      absolutely zero harm has been prevented

      The full outcome of Trump’s premiership remains to be seen. Will the base of the Democratic party finally wake up and recognize that harm reduction narratives are a total and complete failure and demand more than the bare minimum from their electeds? Will an anti-zionist finally be elected in 2028? Or, dare I even dream it, an anti-imperialist? A socialist?

      New York City got their first socialist muslim mayor, Zohran Mamdani, which one may argue was a leftist reaction to Trump.

      We are also witnessing the collapse of the American Empire, massively accelerated by Trump.

      We need to stop thinking in terms of harm reduction on an election-to-election basis, and start thinking in terms of the election after this one, at the very least. How can we use our vote not tactically, but strategically?

      And remember, our vote is the weakest form of power we have. Our power comes from our connections and our labor.

      Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

      1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
      2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
      3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
      4. Don’t punch down.
      5. Don’t punch left.
      6. Educate yourself, politically.
      7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system
    • Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      4 days ago

      And if the dems had won on their appeasement of the fascists strat they probably would have fumbled the bag one or two elections after that and all of the stuff you mentioned would happen anyways just now with even less of a chance for the dems to right things afterwards because they adopted the mindset the republicans had a few years ago.

      Why are you libs so averse to the reality of the ratchet effect?

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        3 days ago

        So it is worth letting the bad things happen now because they probably would have happened anyway a decade from now? And winning an election against the republicans would have convinced democrats to adopt the republican mindset, which won’t happen after that mindset is proven to win elections?