• Tikiporch@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    I can’t tell for sure but she looks somewhat attractive. I guarantee she thinks she’s attractive. And people who think they’re attractive don’t vote. They think they live in a different world and aren’t effected by such matters.

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        I don’t know what else to tell you. Most people don’t vote, but no vain person is standing in line for two hours.

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                This has nothing to do with gender, but very intriguing that you would go there.

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                  “Pretty privilege” is the term they use and is what you’re expressing here - that “attractive people” are so vain and favoured by society that they can exist in a bubble where they don’t have to engage with reality. It’s a concept that’s absolutely fundemental to incel culture and is not gendered. The recent “looksmaxxing” trend is one of the more prominent expressions of the concept and is almost entirely masculine.

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                    Not to defend the other commenter (really not) but pretty privilege has been studied and is scientifically sound.

                    Not like it’s used here and NOT how incels use it, but it is measurable and has been studied a lot in regards to career opportunities.

                    Incels use it as a kernel of truth which they surround with bullshit in order to sound scientific.

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                    I’ll have to take your word for most of that, I know nothing about the incel culture beyond the surface level. From what I do know, it does make sense they could take a concept like that and use it for evil.

                    But I never said attractive people don’t vote. I said people who think they’re attractive don’t vote. Being attractive isn’t the same as being vain. And I don’t think vain people vote; not absolutely, but I do think they are less likely to cast a ballot. Like I said earlier, voting turnout is abysmal on average for reasons that are amplified in a vain person’s psychology.

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            I don’t think feeling pretty is the same as being vain, though.

            Thank you for voting.

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              Thinking you’re pretty is the same thing as thinking you’re attractive, though.

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              I’m vain, and I vote.
              You’ve been called out thoroughly here. Accept it. You’re wrong.
              As well as being vain, I also say stupid shit on the internet. I find it’s a better practice to laugh and shrug it off when my bullshit goes awry.

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                Called out? OK, now I am definitely laughing and shrugging it off. Thanks for that.

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                  Yaknow, people who have actually shrugged things off don’t do it performatively. That’s how shrugging things off works.

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          I’m telling you that you have a weird hangup, probably rooted in jealousy. There’s no reason for anyone to think civic engagement is in any way coupled with “vanity”.

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            It’s not a hangup, just an observation. You don’t have to agree, and I’m not saying it’s the fucking law that vain people can’t vote.

            But they don’t. If they can’t take a selfie in the voting booth then it ain’t gonna happen buddy.

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              This is a classic hangup. There’s literally no possible way you could know this, but you’re certain of it. Not only that, but you brought it up when it had nothing to do with anything. Kinda a sign you’re fixated on the idea.

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                Eh. I’m just interested in human psychology, so while you think it had “nothing to do with anything” to you, it did have meaning to me. And it’s preposterous to think there’s no way to know how human psychology is reflected at the ballot box.

                I mean I only made an observation, but it’s not like it has no basis in reality. I just think it makes intuitive sense to conclude that individuals who are highly self-absorbed wouldn’t necessarily care about a collective, relatively anonymous civic duty like voting. Vain people probably love the *stage *of politics, but they are far less interested in the *chore *of voting.

                So I’m not saying vain people AS A WHOLE skip elections. In fact I think the opposite there, that they are likely to be much more vocal in the political sphere. Narcissistic political participation is largely driven by a desire for a captive audience and public recognition. Activities like protesting, posting on social media, or aggressively debating are highly visible. In contrast, the act of voting in a democratic election is intentionally anonymous. An election ballot offers no audience, no applause, and no opportunity to publicly demonstrate superiority.

                So when you isolate the physical, logistical act of **voting **from the rest of the political sphere, the behavior of highly vain or narcissistic individuals trends toward disinterest in the process. Vain individuals often possess a grandiose sense of self-importance and believe their direct intervention is required to fix things. The realization that their single vote carries the exact same mathematical weight as millions of other voters can feel insulting to their sense of authority.

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                  Sorry, no.

                  I just think it makes intuitive sense to conclude that individuals who are highly self-absorbed wouldn’t necessarily care about a collective, relatively anonymous civic duty like voting.

                  That’s very much not the same thing as the claim you actually made, which was:

                  people who think they’re attractive don’t vote.

                  And they’re both deeply spurious claims to make. Self absorbed assholes absolutely still vote, their reasons for voting (likely, at least. Voter behavior models aren’t super reliable) just change from social interests to personal ones.

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                  so while you think it had “nothing to do with anything” to you, it did have meaning to me.

                  …my point exactly?

                  And it’s preposterous to think there’s no way to know how human psychology is reflected at the ballot box.

                  Are you a psychologist who has studied this for a few years? What observations are you basing this on?

                  Because what it sounds like to me is that you took a mediocre idea at best and tried to push it past the “hypothesis” stage because it feels right to you. The fact that an attractive woman acting crazy brings perceived shitty voters to your mind does say something about you, but it doesn’t really relate to this post at all. You may as well have brought up quantum psychics because you don’t think enough attractive people are in that field or something…

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                    The fact that an attractive woman acting crazy brings perceived shitty voters to your mind does say something about you

                    The dude said she voted for Trump, that’s what brought it to my mind…

                    Are you a psychologist who has studied this for a few years?

                    No. Do I need to be?

                    I have eyes that can see, and the ability to read. Political scientists and psychologists have studied this exact topic, so there is data on how physical appearance and vanity impact voter turnout. The research makes a key distinction between people who are generally considered attractive versus people who think they are highly attractive, the former of which is what I think you think my argument is. RE: the former, interestingly, studies (like Peterson and Palmer in 2017) show that attractive people actually vote more because the “halo effect” of being treated well by society gives them high social confidence.

                    However, the data shifts completely when you look at pure vanity. Recent psychological research found that exceptionally high self-perceived attractiveness directly increases “psychological entitlement”, or the belief that a person is inherently deserving of special treatment. When you cross-reference that with political participation data (like a 2020 study by Fazekas and Hatemi), it shows that this specific trait of entitlement drives actual voter turnout down.

                    SO, while highly vain people might be loud on social media or at protests, they tend to avoid the actual ballot box. Psychologists theorize this is because they dislike the egalitarian nature of waiting in line to cast an anonymous vote that carries the exact same mathematical weight as everyone else’s.

                    So the data does exist, and it supports the idea that vanity and entitlement lead to lower turnout on election day.

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                  Do a study on it, have it peer reviewed, publish it and let’s see where it goes.

                  Right now all you have is a hunch based on no data.