• PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.auEnglish
      81·
      4 days ago

      Who cares?

      Laws are about what we accept. They’re not magic spells passed down by fucking gandalf. You get used to thugs with guns telling you what the rules are, the rules are what the thugs with guns say they are.

  • Zier@fedia.io
    25·
    5 days ago

    Illegal shadow president Miller wrote that EO because he is a racist scumbag.

  • Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    5 days ago

    Reading through the executive order I see three categories of people it’s trying to affect.

    1. “Terrorists”. This is the category I expect to be used first, and as such is the one I expect to get struck down first.

    2. Diplomats and other individuals with diplomatic immunity. This one frankly I assumed already didn’t get birthright citizenship, as my reading of the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” clause was that it was these people it was excluding.

    3. “Birth Tourists”. This is the one that I have been exposed to the most fearmongering about. To be frank I am skeptical it happens often enough to matter, and the government would probably fare better simply denying access to the country anyone pregnant enough for it to come up. I also expect this part of the order to be struck down the moment an attempt is made to apply it.

    That’s all assuming the order doesn’t get suspended and subsequently struck down by the courts immediately, which is unlikely.

    • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
      25·
      5 days ago

      The diplomats one is kinda insane. It says if EITHER parent works for a foreign government, including consulates. So if there was a man who worked at one, had a baby with an American woman, the baby wouldn’t have citizenship. Potentially there could be an American single mom, with a child born in America, and she would be harboring an illegal alien. All without leaving America once.

      • booly@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        5 days ago

        But if one of the parents has American citizenship, they would have the right to American citizenship through their parentage, and the executive order only purports to apply to children for whom neither parent has US citizenship.

        It would need to be a pretty narrow set of circumstances, and it would still be unconstitutional if applied to a child for whom one of the two parents could have had a child with birthright citizenship.

        • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
          6·
          5 days ago

          It says EITHER PARENT on multiple occasions.

          (b) either parent of that person is a foreign government employee, defined to include:

          (ii) persons employed by a foreign embassy or consulate who are nationals of that foreign country;

          • booly@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            4 hours ago

            You’re quoting the subsections but the section 2 as a whole, at the top, says:

            It is the policy of the United States that no executive department or agency shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship to, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship regarding, persons when neither parent of that person is a citizen and any of the following applies:

            It’s a boolean “and,” so in order for those provisions you’ve quoted to apply, the person must also not have a citizen parent.

    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zipEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      “Birth Tourists”. This is the one that I have been exposed to the most fearmongering about.

      Seriously, that there’s wave after wave of pregnant women entering the US just to give birth, to create American Babies, then leave again? These poeople really have worms in their brains.

    • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 days ago

      Yep. That’s the framework they’re going for, anyone left of Hitler is “antifa”, and “antifa” can be jailed or executed or shipped overseas all without trial, their families destroyed and their possessions stolen by the thugs doing the “enforcement”, right down to their shoes and the teeth from their mouths.

    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zipEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America

      The first sentence is already rotten. No single person in a state of law should have that much power.

      It’s probably standard verbiage since even before the Patriot Act, but I still don’t like it.

      I was hoping I could get the tl;dr from the text, because I simply cannot listen to his voice rn, but I can’t read this shit either.