After seeing a megathread praising Mao Zedong, an actual mass killer, and a post about a guy saying “99% of westerners are 100000000000% sure they know what happened in ‘Tiny Man Square’ […] the reasons for this are complex and involve propaganda […],” I am genuinely curious what leads people to this belief system. Even if propaganda is involved when it comes to Tiananmen Square, it doesn’t change the atrocities that were/are committed everywhere else in China.
I am all for letting people believe what they want but I am lost on why one would deliberately praise any authoritarian system this hard.
Can someone please help me understand why this is such a large and prominent community? How have these ideals garnered such a following outside of China?
EDIT: Thank you to everyone who has responded! This thread has been very insightful :)
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Im a tankie because i want there to be clean water anywhere on earth in the future. We have less than 50 years to overthrow capitalism before the earth is a depleted cinder. Marxist Lenninist revolution has worked in the past. 2 out of 3 post WW2 superpowers arose from it. Anarchist success stories include… Rojava? For a while? If you ignore all the US support and how it fell apart without that. By the time the US is weak enough that it can be destroyed without the need for regimented party and military structures it will simply be much to late.
It’s also quite telling that you squishily back away from “the tiananmen square massacre” but then gesture vaguely at some other unspecified crime. Parenti called what you have an unfalsifiable orthodoxy.
Clean water you say…
It’s also quite telling that your answer became a “communism vs anarchism” out of nowhere.
The teams and labels are a fucking cancer of human society…
What is meant by “tankie” if not ML communist? And what other ideology would OP, who posted this from anarchist nexus to an anarchism community, propose i hold instead if not anarchism?
The topic isn’t a comparison between the two and the fact you needed to bring it up is pretty funny.
anarchist comm deriding “tankies” but totally no comparison or debate here, fellas, no-sireeee
Can you show me in this doll where anarchists touched you?
Can you read?
I can yes, that’s why I wonder where the butt hurting against anarchism come from.
I don’t propose you hold any ideology, I’m just curious as to why people choose this one
Because I see no other credible way to stop capital from devouring the world.
The teams and labels are a fucking cancer of human society…
I can’t stand people who treat everything like team sports, especially those who treat POLITICS like team sports and vilify absolutely everyone who doesn’t root for their guy coughMAGAcough
My approach to politics is “like team sports” only in that I acknowledge the existence of teams and have chosen one. Do you really think we’re all on the same side? When liberals insist that we all want what’s best for everyone, that there are no conflicting interests only conflicting methods, do you believe them?
Too often these criticism’s of “tankies” involve calling questioning blatant cold war lies as tankie behavior and very often i get accused of being a tankie by both liberals and “anarchists” because i oppose the democrats its far past time to retire the word.
Yeah there’s really no room for nuance on some of these topics for some reason. You don’t accept the line, a line fed to us by a government we ostensibly don’t trust about a sanctioned enemy that it has every incentive to make you dislike, and somehow you are questioning objective reality to defend an authoritarian.
I think it’s the sheer volume of anti China consent-manufacturing material that does it. Westerners are just bathing in it constantly.
Yep was attacked by fellow anarchists ounce because they were sharing epoch media news about mass organ harvesting farms of falun gung members and I was like maybe don’t accept this uncritically which is an extreme example but still something your supposed to take uncritically with no sources outside of this literal fascist cult because to do otherwise you have to defend china even if only from the most nonsensical claims.
