America
- Good pay
- Bigger Houses
- Free internet
- Not an ethnostate
- Nice/open people
- Nice Nature
- Public Respect (somewhat)
- While the chances are low, shootings and police/ICE violence is not 0%
- Universities, really good if not best (as an academic)
China
- Clean, Major cities are clean but more polluted and trashed than other two
- Ethnostate, forever an outsider
- Increasingly difficult internet.
- Nice/open people
- Safe Society
- Universities, pretty mid to bad at best unless its top
Japan
- Cleanest
- Ethnostate, forever an outsider, but not being stared at or random photos like in China
- Free internet
- Nice Nature
- Public Trust
- Public Respect
- Safe Society
- Universities, pretty mid to bad at best unless its top three
I feel forever trapped between these three countries with family, languages, culture, and religion. Very lost on which to pursue for my career. A recent trip to China has made me very much feel not China. I cannot stand the staring, photo taking making me feel like I’m a zoo animal, even more so for my child. But it is nice and pay can be decent. I also really like Chinese people and culture.
America has a lot of good, but I’m so sick of having to be stressed about its politics and the culture of violence. I do love the nature, individual freedom, and academic (tho the recent not being able to comment on Israel has been insane).
Japan is great on the surface but subtle racism, bad pay, and trump-copy cat prime minister is concerning. Committing to China or especially Japan over the US is fucking my family financially if we want to visit family in the other two countries.
Side note, I love being fluid between three cultures but not having a stable home in one place is somewhat exhausting.
Another random thought is America is actually so comfortable compared to China or Japan when it comes to being yourself.
Edit: why is everyone being pedantic or getting upset over one word rather than just answer lmao
Edit 1: I asked deepseek, just for fun, and it said Japan, Singapore, or Taiwan then it censored itself lmao
Universities, really good if not best (as an academic)
What are you talking about?
The reality that US universities are better than most I’ve worked and studied in. Chinese and Japanese ones are barely comparable.
Your knowledge of the USA seems woefully out of date. Trust me, for your safety, do not consider moving to the United States right now
Then I think you haven’t studied in other countries before. Having studied/conducted research in China, Japan, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Nepal… they all are pretty rough in comparison.
What is your purpose here? All you’ve done is argue with people who warn you to not come to the USA. You’ve been told several times that it is not only dangerous to foreigners, but also to actual natural born citizens, the schools are currently fighting against an anti-intellectualism take over, banning subjects and books that don’t align with Christian beliefs and arresting students that say killing people is wrong. ICE is patrolling airports (where you would come into the country) and arresting anyone who is just a little too dark or just that they feel like arresting. It is not only unsafe for you to come here, it is a bad idea to come here for the academia as well.
All of this you have been ignoring and downplaying and arguing with. If you’re so sure it’s a good idea, then sure, come to the States and pray you don’t get blackbagged and never seen again. It feels like you’re not here to get honest opinions, but just to argue and ignore anything you don’t like
Right now the one I’m in arrested dozens of students for opposing genocide and shut down the student newspaper for supporting said students and has Lockheed Martin embedded in every crevice, and on top of that are enacting other dumb rules like ebike bans and the stuff they teach is like 20 years out of date
Uhh where the hell in america you getting free internet? Not a thing. $70 a month for 200 Mbps.
America is way too huge to make a generalization on the people but I’ll tell you on the non-coasts, youll run into hick racist assholes. But its cheap to live in those areas.
The landscapes are awesome on the west side.
I wouldnt move here since its about to experience a full collapse with many jobs being lost and a full on acceleration to fascism. Most people want to get out of America, not move in lol.
I think they meant not having a great firewall, which they don’t need since they’ll use military and economic force instead
Oh duh, I see.
Yeah, america is no different than China in military and surveillance. The citizens are just dumber (many WANT surveillance fascism).
Dont move there.
Are you black? Honest question.
One thing about the US is that living arrangements are more isolating. I have friends that made local friends in Japan. I wouldn’t pick the US, but I’d say pick where you think you’ll be happy and have good friendships. But it’s hard to say as well because you don’t say where in any country good live, ie big or small cities, etc
If by America you mean the USA, then totally no. Current hell with government will only worsen there. China seems appealing, but some government policies and language complexity makes it hard to live there until you adapt. Remains only Japan. Despite still having some complicated compared to English language, it is the best option here on my opinion.
Leaving out the fact that America’s economy is in freefall and it’s currently experiencing a fascist collapse is…a choice.
Economy goes up and down in every country. Choosing where to live forever doesn’t require looking at the economy for the past two weeks. Up higher than ever before than. Also, I clearly mention the stressful American and Japanese political situations.
Are you adding anything?
Did you miss the fascist takeover part? Just go move to Russia or something.
Just responded to that… your comment isn’t adding anything
Yes it is, don’t move to the US unless you’re a fascist.
If you have to choose between one of those three I think the choice has to be japan assuming you have guaranteed work lined up at all three locations with reasonable pay for the area at least.
As a white European, who has lived in worked in the USA for a few years, worked with a fully 100% Japanese enterprise and now living in China for the last 7 years, I can wholeheartedly say China. I made myself swear I’ll never work with Japanese again. It’s the most frustrating experience. My project was supposed to take 9 months but ended up taking over 3 years due to indecisiveness from the Japanese. Plus the working hours are insane with the drinking afterwards. China is much better than Japan workwise. Also I don’t know why you left nature out of the China list. Nature is amazing here. For me personally living here is great. The infrastructure with public transport and high speed railway is second to none. Plus the daily convenience because of the super apps like AliPay and Wechat. It’s hard to explain to someone who hasn’t been here. Luckily a lot more people are discovering China thanks to the visa free travel now for most countries - except the US of course. It’s amazing to hear/see these tourists being shocked how good and normal life is in here because they get fed only negative propaganda back home. China is not North Korea.
Disagree with the US not being an ethnostate. If you’re not white, then it does feel like an ethnostate. I was born here, but I’ve always been made to feel that this isn’t my country. I’m a guest here. I’m tolerated (in the blue states), but not welcome. I’m constantly getting news that half the country hates people like me and wants me to leave (again, born here!)
But, uh, yeah, if you’re white or white-passing, then yeah, the US is your ethnostate. 👍
I think you haven’t been to a real ethnostate and felt the difference. Racism in America is no where close to in East Asia sadly.
if you stay in a foreign country for 10+ years, your neighbors, shop keepers, etc. will get used to you. but really, the deciding factor in whether anyone can move to a foreign country is the work available to them. if you don’t get a good job, with reasonable hours, probably with an international company, good luck making it work.
Why ask this question when you clearly have decided that China is bad and America is great? If you want to go to America so bad just do it there’s no need to ask inane questions and fight people giving you answers and advice.
I love China and have devoted much of my life and career to China. Don’t come at me with stereotypical .ml presumptions.
Are universities in China and Japan that average? I’m asking since I never felt that American universities were that good, and you’ve referred to them as really good.
Honestly outside of the top handful in both countries I’d say yes. I take this from my own experiences in all three as well as what colleagues tell me. US universities have problems but producing good learners isn’t one. I went to a state school and I think it was better than similarly private schools.
I didn’t presume anything I read your replies as you turned yourself inside out whenever anyone had the slightest bad thing to say about America.
Whether the US is the right choice for you probably depends on your skin tone and where you’d be living. If you appear Asian and move to rural Texas, you’re probably gonna have a bad time. If you look Asian but move to somewhere like NYC where there’s more of a melting pot of citizens and currently liberal leadership, it will probably be a better experience.
There is a lot of bad stuff happening here, but it isn’t detrimental (currently) to everyone equally. I personally wouldn’t consider China due to the extreme censorship and heavy handed government, but the US is tracking that way. Japan has its own issues as you mentioned, but I’m not well versed enough to speak on them.
It’s definitely not a clear cut choice and you’ll probably have to eat some shit regardless of your choice. I think the potential is highest in the US for success compared to the other choices, but you could also walk into the wrong store and get arrested by ICE.
You can actively work on countering the negative effects, so I’d start with just a list of positives. If all the negatives were gone, which country would you choose?
Let’s suppose it’s the USA. You’re uncomfortable there, because of violence and ICE scares, but everything else is fine. You can look at local crime rates, especially gun violence. Find an area/school where these statistics are near-zero. You can mitigate the ICE risk by retaining an immigration lawyer and making sure that all your paperwork is in order.
Make the same type of list with Japan and China. What would you need to do to mitigate the xenophobia/ethnic differences? (Are you already fluent in both languages?)
You also mention finances, which should probably be near the top of the list. Figure out a realistic cost for your entire time at school, then work with your family to understand what’s doable and what stretches them past the breaking point.
Unfortunately, having paperwork in order does not protect you from ICE. They do not care about the law and will abduct you as you are walking into/out of any immigration hearings. They routinely ignore judge’s orders to release people and have no accountability for any harm or damage they cause. Sure, you might get yourself out in a week or two IF you have a good lawyer, but not before they do whatever they want to you in the meantime
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I’m sorry, but ICE’s activities are the status quo in many countries. This person is looking at countries like Japan and China. How strict do you think immigration enforcement might be in China? Do you figure that Japan tolerates a lot of inconsistency when filling out an immigration visa?
It doesn’t matter how things should be, only that this is how they are. Today. RIght now. Yes, the U.S. has a hard-liner in office. Yes, ICE will discriminate - the color of your skin and your country of origin matter. But that’s not so abnormal on a global scale.
Wrong and dumb
