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Reminds me of that one old SNL skit “undercover office potty.”

OK, let’s go deep dive here.

Those products in the images you shared (wow via Limewire too, cool!) are still sold by a company.

Each one of them has a PDF with schematic drawings and shows all the parts that can come on or off of them.

Here’s the one for the official PDFs direct from the maker’s site :

ET-300 :https://www.ecollar.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-09-ET-300-302-manual_outline.pdf

From page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :

PG-300 : https://www.ecollar.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-09-PG-300-302-manual_outline.pdf

From - again - page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :

Page 4 for the ET mentions nothing about shocking or electricity or anything other than a “tapping sensation” being able to be sent and a “stronger” version that can be used in an emergency.

But let’s imagine this WAS a model with the removable prongs AND their “tap” is just corpo speak for electrical shock and that the prongs were removed…

Now comes even more questions if we want to be honest at what scenarios were possible :

Did Hasan buy this thing himself or did someone who’s a dog expert get one for him as some sort of package deal? Does he have a dog caretaker that puts this thing on Kaya?

Could that someone else have taken the prongs off when they first put it on Kaya? Is it feasible that Hasan did OR DID NOT know about the fact the prongs could come off… and consequently then - if someone else set it up, would he even think to mention it if he wasn’t the one who first took the device out, set it up, and put it on Kaya?

Hasan makes enough money that he has his mom paid to cook for him, I’m sure he has people who clean for him, I’m sure he has people who manage his accounts. I think it’s feasible then to surmise he might have someone who handles getting Kaya groomed, trained, who purchases Kaya’s food for Hasan, etc.

I have a someone close to me who sent their dog away for training for several months when they first got them (by the way I think this is kinda crazy and don’t condone it, just saying this is what they did) and when the dog came back, they had an entire package including training tools and materials, as well as a detailed set of commands given to them by the trainer from their program.

Again, I think there’s enough space here to interpret it either way.

Rich people sometimes delegate their tasks to subordinates, right? I know so many of his critics complain he’s a champagne socialist or whatever… fine… so if he’s a rich guy then, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Hasan would then have possibly assigned some task or as a part of some larger dog management related task of “buying the best collar and equipment for Kaya” by someone who would think that “well let’s get him the one that could do shocking, just in case,” but then that person taking those prongs off by default and not telling Hasan… who then could say “it doesn’t do shock” because the handler told him that…

Is any of THAT a fair possibility?

Again, I think this all doesn’t really matter in the bigger picture… because the memes were created to imply that Hasan loves electrocuting the shit out of his poor dog… not that he did it 1 time out of 1000 days that he’s had her in his care and that we need to fully solve the matter of “did he shock her that one time?”

I do NOT think he shocked her… because that seems to be the simpler more rational assumption to make - given all of the other factors mentioned already… and if we’re going to go down the rabbit hole of these details of the model that could possibly be used, well, then you can also speculate on how that model was POTENTIALLY set up for him maybe by someone else and that Hasan reasonably might not think to go into the details of that to then explain the situation. It didn’t have prongs? Maybe it did and someone else removed them.

All of this is speculation - again because it’s very hard to prove a negative here… because given the number of possible variables we simply cannot fully determine the full reality of, and the unending appeals that can be made… so the assumption of charitability toward the situation is just as valid as the assumption of guilt.

And in that scenario, the only logical pursuit is that of looking toward external factors that would best indicate the truth.

Hasan does not seem abusive, he seems to love the dog, there’s no other clear evidence he has abused her (on the contrary - as we both have seen - the many video compilations of the 2 together seem to indicate that Hasan loves Kaya dearly), Hasan knows that giving this accusation attention only seems to make those who accuse him want more evidence to prove he didn’t shock her and those who are his fans seem convinced already.

It was reasonable to ask Hasan to address it once and he did… and he presumed it would end the discourse one the subject… but I believe that it’s like the Obama birth certificate thing at this point - no matter what is shown, they will still say he’s not really an American. “oh he didn’t release the longform one!”

I think you’re good, friend. No worries.

Really (and I know one of the videos I shared in another comment covered this but I don’t want to torture you by asking you to comb through my novella of work in this thread to go read / watch) the problem with trying to “prove a negative” is that for every piece of evidence you can try to prove that negative, it’s not hard to then come up with another reason why that evidence isn’t sufficient.

Like when I was a kid, my Dad accidentally burned my hand with a cigarette while handing me a baseball with that same hand he had the 🚬 in. If he said it was an accident though, how would he prove that he did NOT do it on purpose to anyone else who saw my hand and then I told them it was my dad who burned me?

See, the difference is that I can tell others my Dad didn’t do it on purpose… that he never ever did it ever again… that I have no other burns anywhere else on my body, no bruises, and that I know my Dad loves me. Kaya can’t talk. But we can look at her and see she doesn’t wince in fear from Hasan, that she wags her tail every time Hasan looks at her, that Kaya walks close to him in public - even without a leash sometimes I think.

This is why I would suggest to try looking toward other clues to ascertain whether or not this claim has merit - rather than “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs.”

I’ve seen the pictures of the collar, and I watched the video the dog trainer did on the clip shared by another user and then commented in detail on that.

However, after all of that… and - again given how hard it would be to convince anyone on the prong situation other than just “that seems like kinda way too conspiratorial and reaching to be true” - I really just find it way more likely that - given the lack of any other moment where Kaya seems to have been in any sort of stressful situation captured on camera in the MASSIVE backlog of Hasan’s streams where you see her - and not just her laying in her spot, but her on walks with him in public, her with him while podcasting on his other shows with others present - he has never shocked her or ever done ANYTHING to cause her to audibly yelp or whimper or howl or pee herself or anything else even a SINGLE other time.

I think that makes it just a lot easier to believe that the shock did not happen.

I don’t know if that convinces you, but as I said - it is exceedingly hard to prove a negative short of the dog herself just being able to say “yeah he didn’t do that” in the same way I told others the truth that “my dad didn’t mean to burn me with the 🚬 when he handed me the ⚾️.”

Hopefully all that makes sense. 😓

OK, I watched the video of the dog trainer guy.

Given that the dog trainer says he has absolutely zero context other than what he can see and surmise from the video, and later the vibes and comments as well, I would say that he’s probably just trying to be as objective as possible about whether or not the collar is or could have been a shock collar.

He seems to say that she does NOT seem to be being abused but he could’ve used a vibration collar on her there, but also that it’s a bit of a stretch to think that this guy is swapping out parts to make it look like a vibration collar when it’s secretly an electric shock collar.

The trainer guy said although you never like to hear a dog yelp, he doesn’t think Hasan should be kicked off of “switch” 😅 for the dog yelping in surprise from a vibration IF he indeed did vibrate it on her when she got off the bed.

For the context that is missing in this video though - the dog trainer also seemed to perceive that Hasan was mad at Kaya for getting off the bed because the clip he was provided either had that part removed either on purpose to remove that context in a way that Hasan antagonists would do without hesitation - or more simply (also more likely in my opinion) to save time and not make the trainer have to watch more than the minimum needed to see the immediate before and after parts.

The fact is - that clip does not showing that - in reality - Hasan was NOT angry at Kaya - he was angry about his Internet going out over and over again, and that the frustration from the internet dropping issues was just bleeding over in a way that then appeared like he was mad specifically at Kaya for getting off of her “spot.” Also - the idea she tweaked her paw or got a claw caught on one of the fibers as she stepped seems to be really hard to point out, but the trainer not hearing that explanation as to the possible reason why she yelped also seems kind of unfair as well.

Apparently, the other thing that is coincidental is that Hasan says in the controversy-addressing video that he was reaching for a “Zyn tin” at the time - not some “shock collar remote.” <- (at the very end of this clip)

I believe it, because in other non-staged photos captured by 3rd party articles about him, Hasan seems to always have multiple Zyn tins stacked up in that same spot him where he said that’s what he was reaching for.

That seems to align - again - with what was claimed later when Hasan addressed the “controversy.”

On another note though, just want to say I can’t believe 6 months after this smear job people want to fucking do a forensic analysis of this AGAIN just to clear up something that - if you watch any of the clips where he is doing stuff with the dog - the guy honestly looks like he absolutely loves the dog.

This is the first actually mature and civil (but oppositional) reply to any of my comments here that wasn’t just some obvious fan of one of the antagonistic streamers who constantly are trying to sic their supporters on the guy.

Thank you.

I will watch the video and reply back here (or edit) after watching. I still remain unconvinced he’s abusive of her, but the “using a vibration collar” part being used and a professional pointing it out does give more weight to that specific aspect of the accusation.

Maybe Heath Ledger’s Joker walking into the mob meeting? Or the lyrics to They’re Coming To Take Me Away?

Same - I feel like I’m going insane reading all this obvious bullshit. It’s good to know there’s other sane people in this shitpost thread.

I can imagine a lot, but unfortunately - it seems I need to have your imagination to satisfy some apparent minimum journalistic standard you will otherwise arbitrarily re-position because the checks notes published writer for NYT and the WaPo and the lady with the law degree is apparently “chaotic slop.”

See - in “debate lord” tactics - this is known as “pinning you down.”

You will otherwise continue to refuse to allow for any cited source because you can then arbitrarily say it’s not up to your otherwise nebulous definition of what would be satisfactory.

As I’m asking you to give me something concrete, you instead will just continue defer to continue pretending I have not provided something sufficient.

• Not a Hasan video ✅
• large channel not directly affiliated ✅
• one video from a credentialed published journalist ✅
• another from a former practicing lawyer ✅

You can pretend I’m not being honest here, but anyone else reading is smart enough to figure out what you’re doing amounts to. 😅

OK, what other kind of proof can someone provide? 🤣 do I need a published peer reviewed paper or something or I mean - like what do you want?

All right, buddy you’re a huge waste of time. 😄

Have a good one.

You know - I genuinely hope things can be sorted out up Mr. Bottachelli and his kid - seems like there’s some rough stuff going on there, but I don’t know the latest.

Maybe you or someone else from 4chan could fill us all in on what’s up with all that. Though it’s probably been a year or so since I read anything about any of that, so make sure to call me out I guess if I’m cherry-picking here on that as well.

I mean, unless you’ve got something better - it’s that or self-smug laughing in comment form. Again, those two videos are not “glazing” Hasan from what I can tell.

I get it you don’t like Taylor for some reason but what about the Leeja Miller video?

You got a better way to convince anybody of anything other than self-righteous performative lols?

😄 yeah Hasan seems really doomed now from his joking heartbreak resulting from Mamdani needing to distance himself from a streamer so non-terminally online people don’t freak out at the old “America Deserved 9-11” meme clip.

Meanwhile, again I ask you - any thoughts on Mr. Barelli’s use of the n-word, and his really problematic 29yr:16yr olds sex comment I keep trying to get a reply on?

Care to share something more substantive than giggles to discredit a published writer for the Washington Post, NYT, The Daily Beast, or Business Insider?

Or would that somehow count as me deflecting again?

And you’re exactly what I’d expect from a current-era Destiny fan :

Ignoring every single one of the counter-arguments made - even when provided self-evident video supports the claim in order to sidestep the original discussion.

I gave you 2 videos countering the dog shock meme shit - both of non-Hasan YouTubers with sizeable audiences and some measure of credibility, and you ignored them.

Then you only glom onto the last part of my reply where I point out a few of the notable problems of streamer Destiny (who I’m guessing you’re a fan of - given the specific use of “up his ass” you’re perhaps unwittingly regurgitating and how you knew what “sex pest” referred to)… but again - at the same time - you ignore the videos provided that show Destiny saying the N-word and Destiny saying clearly on video that he is ok with 29 year olds having sex with 16 year olds as long as they’ve gone through puberty.

You want to pretend that I’m “deflecting” so it allows you to avoid both my rebuttal as well as criticisms related to the streamer you seem most likely to be a fan of combined into a single reply.

So you’re a Destiny fan - got it. 🤣

Also I did post this and this as well to attempt to provide support for the idea the guy doesn’t abuse his dog - and those first 2 videos are not from him (yeah the third is, but it contains a compilation of the dude being sweet to his dog over the years), but I’m sure you’ll discredit those first 2 videos somehow, too.

Look… it’s all right.

Destiny did an awesome takedown of JonTron (who I also once liked in the OG Game Grumps days) being racist a long time ago and he has teamed up with his own former fan Vaush against some actual fascists so I don’t absolutely hate the guy… but seeing you come to his defense when I bring up any of the accusations that have been made against the dude let me know where you stand.

Destiny has dog shit opinions in a lot of cases, but is also someone I can admit to liking having as an ally against the worst people on the internet.

However, Jesus Christ, does Destiny let his personal vendettas completely guide his political compass.

Also, there’s stuff like :

• Destiny casually dropping the N-word
• Destiny’s on-video stated opinions on whether or not 29-year olds having sex with 16-year olds is ok

I mean - those 2 are a big yikes for me personally and are the main reason I don’t really follow him.

I think he actually does a pretty decent job of owning up to bad takes when he has them. I know he has said as much about the Ukraine Russia situation when he openly said that Russia would not attack Ukraine.

I just think the dog abuse thing is blatantly stupid and it’s been clearly debunked.

Again, the guy has had the dog for 3+ years and in every single one of his daily 12+ hours of streaming videos pretty much whenever he’s at home. And in no other moment has that dog ever yelped in pain or indicated any other obvious markers of abuse.

Based on every video I’ve seen where he’s with her, the guy seems to genuinely love the dog a lot. I’m not gonna post the Kaya compilation video like for the seventh time trying to get people to see how obviously bullshit the dog abuse claim is.

I’m only defending against it because it seems really obviously stupid to the point that I can’t believe people still actually think it’s true.

Did you watch the full unedited video of the supposed “shock” including before and after?

Did you see the video of Hasan debunking it? Did anything Hasan said in this debunking come across as seemingly shady or obvious bullshit?

Did you see the video compilation of Hasan loving on the dog a bunch?

Do you see any videos that anyone has been able to find where he reaches with his hand toward her or raises his hand where she winces in fear - in a way that a dog who is hit often by its owner does?

Any other video in the 3 years of streaming literally 12+ hours a day where he’s had her in which you can find even A SINGLE ADDITIONAL MOMENT of obvious self-evident proof of abuse? Another moment where the dog cried out in pain or fear?

No one should ask you to ignore anything, but the fact that you’re scrutinizing whether or not the collar is a shock collar that was swapped out secretly or that he had someone make edits to a video of seems like far more of a stretch than maybe just the idea that some assholes hate the guy and can’t otherwise come up with any legitimate criticisms and figure this was an opportunity to jump in on… don’t you think?

I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.

And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”

Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…

Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.

I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.

As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.

I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.

In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.

Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.

It’s no use, my friend. There’s like a dozen shit-posters here who aren’t interested in doing anything except doing drive-by disinfo dumps on Hasan so that anyone not in-the-know in the thread genuinely asking “who is Hasan” gets to poison the well on digging any further…

Like someone says “who is this?” and then someone replying “oh that guy? He likes Hitler” and then most people will go “Oh ok I don’t need to look up anything else on this Bernie Sanders guy I guess then since that person who seems to be knowledgeable said he likes Hitler…”

Damnit, I forgot what sub-re… I mean… lemmy community I was in.