Commiunism

1. Not my comm, it’s also dead. All I do is rarely post some good posts I accumulated over time rather than 10 posts daily like it’s a job

2. Don’t hate leftists, they often come with good intentions but lack understanding of what they’re talking about, and you yourself underestimate how broad of a camp leftism is. An average leftist is a socdem reformist who believes in electorialism, servile belief in the state and such, with anarchist and ML tendencies being niche in comparison. You yourself ban leftists who believe in electorialism and harm reduction.

3. I admit I can be a bit of an ass about it like with my original comment and I can certainly be kinder, but all I’m doing is calling out the occasional nonsense that gets posted that you yourself would likely not agree with if you gave it 5 minutes of thought.

Like for instance, the fact that the liberal 40 hour of wage labor under capitalist system position gets directly compared to “unemployed shouldn’t starve” alludes to a welfare state position, not a new mode of production that produces to satisfy needs rather than exchange. You yourself argued against UBI, one of the more radical positions of such view in this very post.

Not to mention how my critique alludes to leftist tendency to just wish good things into existence regardless of how this mode of production and it’s interests work, like the Boogeyman of tendency for rate of profit to fall that completely kills both positions

But alright, if you want to build an echo chamber where nothing gets questioned and there’s absolutely 0 dissent, then you do you.

You can absolutely do away with currency if the current mode of production got abolished. Currency itself is a necessity in a society that produces commodities for exchange, which creates rise for social constructs such as value, value forms like money, the possibility for an innate crisis and so on.

The first 2 chapters of Capital explains this, the commodity production system was a historical development rather than something coming out of nature (no chemist was able to find value through microscope), and we can certainly produce things to satisfy needs rather than exchange, with a much lower amount of work hours needed to do so.

and both are de-attached from reality, so they have something in common

No, the value comes from human labor even within your example. Remember that Amazon isn’t just some collection of autonomous servers, there’s warehouses with thousands of workers, many engineers in different locations maintaining the servers, amazon factories where workers are creating branded commodities, vast logistics networks transporting goods with lots of drivers, etc. All of these workers are having surplus value extracted from their labor and is what ultimately generates profit for the company, with the ‘machinery’ acting as an enabler and amplifier of this extraction.

Even within strictly non-value producing businesses such as rent seeking ones (Amazon partly does this too through seller fees) or those that do flipping, the way they make profit is not by creating value and extracting surplus from human labor, but through redistribution of value that was created precisely like that but in some other firm. In other words, they still heavily depend on human labor, as without it they don’t have anything to “redistribute from”.

Nothing has fundamentally changed tbh

If that’s how capital worked and you could generate profit from machinery alone, they straight up would. Too bad that human wage labor is the only part of production where profit comes from