• gedaliyah@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Uh, Iran has bombed a bunch of civilian sites. Also massacred tens of thousands of activists then blacked out the internet to hide it from the world.

    Sorry, but there are no good guys in this one.

    • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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      So Iran was able to kill as many civilians as Israel did in 2 years, in one week, hide the bodies, clean the blood, and convince the families not to say anything? No news footage, no cell footage…

      We just have to take the word of a pedophile rapist billionaire government?

      All this while mossad literally admitted to having agents in the protests??

    • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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      Also a prime sponsor of terrorism all over the Middle East. Sure, the US shouldn’t be there and shouldn’t be acting like assholes, but you’re 100% correct. No good guys.

      • Tiger666@lemmy.ca
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        Who tried to steal who’s oil in the 50’s?

        Who tried and succeeded to overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and instill the Shaw in the 50’s?

        Who traded arms for hostages in the late 1970’s and where did the money come from to buy said arms?

        Who is Oliver North and why is he a CNN analyst?

        Imagine if Iran did this to the USA?

        All the USA does is cause terror and pain throughout the world and history.

        • chillhelm@lemmy.world
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          The US isn’t making Iran have the death penalty for adultery.

          The US isn’t enforcing Irans draconian moral laws and the US didn’t murder Jina Amini in a prison cell.

          The mullah regime manages to be terrible all without the US/Zionist interventions.

          The way to remove them is not a bombing campaign, but if they all died of turbo aids tonight I’d do a happy little dance.

          Everyone’s shit here and the primary victims are the Iranian people.

      • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world
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        If they stayed out of the middle east and didn’t force Israel to exist you would see a lot less “terrorism” so don’t blame middle eastern countries because dumb colonizers(UK) and their colony(USA) exists. A lot of the current problems in the middle east stem from the colonizers being dumbasses for over 100 years.

        • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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          This right here. Add to that the fact that many undocumented migrants from Central and South America are often escaping political environments that are the direct result of predatory and/or parasitic American policies.

          Intrusive American foreign policy is often the source of bad situations around the world.

        • guy@piefed.social
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          Oh yeah Iran would definitely give up its influence over the neighbourhood if only Israel didn’t exist lol

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            Not what they said. this situation has been fabricated by the west. The players are all assholes, but they didn’t invent the game.

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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      massacred tens of thousands of activists

      Trump literally admitted they had armed them.

      Was Iran supposed to let US proxies just prevent them from defending themselves?

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      I would take “tens of thousands” with reserve. It would put casualty rate up there with Ukraine and Gaza war. And all this with small firearms vs 1000kg bombs in war.

      Its hard to get anything resembling the truth because gov wants a clean image and protests were happening just before Israel/USA attack which had direct goal of toppling gov with these numbers as justification.

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        Estimates of 30,000-36,000 are based on testimony of medical workers, eyewitnesses who photographed piled bodies, and best estimates of international aid workers.

        You are doing the work of the IRGC. They blacked out the internet for the entire country precisely to obscure what they were doing. Their goal was/is to control the narrative and ensure uncertainty. All this was months ahead of any major attacks by outside powers.

        Your instinct that it would be/is an unthinkable atrocity is correct. Your instinct that it’s impossible flies in the face of history.

        • The Khmer Rouge killed nearly 1.4 million in Cambodia in less than 2 years, primarily with guns (which doesn’t include perhaps a million more due to starvation, etc.)

        • 1.5 - 2 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust by bullets in Eastern Europe (not including 4 - 4.5 million more killed in death camps, etc.). Many of these were single incidents over days in which tens of thousands were killed, such as Babi Yar and Kamianets-Podilsky.

        • Over 500,000 Tutsis were killed in Rwanda, primarily by guns over about 100 days.

        Iran is a country of 90 million people. Evidence from multiple sources affirms the estimates of 30,000-36,000+ killed in January protests.

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          But you are comparing with events where they went door to door killing people. But its true that its a large population. Still 30000 deaths is huge. What would then injured be 300000? Its not one shot kill, unless you do summary executions. Is there any comparison to some other crackdown on protesters?

          I remain sceptical because there exists (or rather it existed before war) very big interest for numbers to be impressionable.