f a party don’t share any core values or objectives with me and considers me and people like me expendable, it is not strategic to vote for them. Have you ever tried to ask a democrat politician to do something they didn’t already want to do?
And no one is saying you need to join the party. Just to be strategic about the matters. Simply refusing to participate in because of your purity seems to me that you are not serious about the issues. You are functionally saying that there is opposition so you are just folding.
it’s not like i was born here, i had to work hard for this.
And I am happy for you, but regardless of how hard you worked for it, it is still a point of privileged for you. Lot of people like you have also worked hard, yet they don’t have the same result to show for it or anywhere close. They are also facing a possible uninspiring dem flipping their red senate in texas or a county seat or a crusader rep. There is no good option, but there is still a preferable. Your position is to simply say to bad and offer no assistance as it makes you feel dirty.
i mean yeah including me, cause i didn’t say that. i even said i vote in democrat primaries; if someone shitty wins the dem primary (like usual) then them winning the state is already a fait accompli. i don’t see what’s the goal of demanding i vote for them or display ‘loyalty’ at that point.
You are functionally saying that there is opposition so you are just folding.
no i am saying that if democrat politicians would rather arrest my comrades than stand up to trump, they are not people i am going to support. rather than participating in an electoral charade around these kinds of people i would rather engage in direct action with other likeminded people to embarrass them and highlight their supreme cowardice. trying to invoke communist terms in order to get me to support people that are manifestly not communists is not going to sway me.
it is still a point of privileged for you.
nowhere have i said not to vote, i probably vote more regularly than most of these blue maga cultists.
however, it’s just a waste of time and effort to try to sway a bunch of suburban hitlers to vote for someone that doesn’t suck ass. i prefer to work outside of electoral politics with people that don’t take that level of convincing. i also sincerely think that working outside of electoral politics is a better strategic decision than putting any effort into a party that would rather see me dead.
what good is living in a blue state if your spineless democratic government is doing whatever trump says in advance? not to mention how they’ve been allowing fascist goon squads to kidnap people off the street.
what good is living in a blue state if your spineless democratic government is doing whatever trump says in advance? not to mention how they’ve been allowing fascist goon squads to kidnap people off the street.
That you no longer have to vote blue no matter who and start pushing more safely DSA/PSL. Going dem is not the end goal.
Talk to your fellow MLs about being strategic and pragmatic.
And no one is saying you need to join the party. Just to be strategic about the matters. Simply refusing to participate in because of your purity seems to me that you are not serious about the issues. You are functionally saying that there is opposition so you are just folding.
And I am happy for you, but regardless of how hard you worked for it, it is still a point of privileged for you. Lot of people like you have also worked hard, yet they don’t have the same result to show for it or anywhere close. They are also facing a possible uninspiring dem flipping their red senate in texas or a county seat or a crusader rep. There is no good option, but there is still a preferable. Your position is to simply say to bad and offer no assistance as it makes you feel dirty.
i mean yeah including me, cause i didn’t say that. i even said i vote in democrat primaries; if someone shitty wins the dem primary (like usual) then them winning the state is already a fait accompli. i don’t see what’s the goal of demanding i vote for them or display ‘loyalty’ at that point.
no i am saying that if democrat politicians would rather arrest my comrades than stand up to trump, they are not people i am going to support. rather than participating in an electoral charade around these kinds of people i would rather engage in direct action with other likeminded people to embarrass them and highlight their supreme cowardice. trying to invoke communist terms in order to get me to support people that are manifestly not communists is not going to sway me.
nowhere have i said not to vote, i probably vote more regularly than most of these blue maga cultists.
however, it’s just a waste of time and effort to try to sway a bunch of suburban hitlers to vote for someone that doesn’t suck ass. i prefer to work outside of electoral politics with people that don’t take that level of convincing. i also sincerely think that working outside of electoral politics is a better strategic decision than putting any effort into a party that would rather see me dead.
what good is living in a blue state if your spineless democratic government is doing whatever trump says in advance? not to mention how they’ve been allowing fascist goon squads to kidnap people off the street.
That you no longer have to vote blue no matter who and start pushing more safely DSA/PSL. Going dem is not the end goal.
Talk to your fellow MLs about being strategic and pragmatic.
as i keep saying, i’m an anarchist; pretty much all of the anarchists and marxists i know personally vote in the same way i do.
engaging in these threads always feels like other people are arguing with a caricature of me in their head rather than engaging with what i’m saying.
and in return i get to have democrat die-hards telling me that i’m a trump or russia supporter for that.
Its unfortunate they don’t get it, but they either make concession to us or we make a credible spoiler to the election.
At the end of it we are not going to stop going left the way we won’t stop for maga.
You’d be a better messenger.