cross-posted from: https://crust.piefed.social/c/aljazeera_rss@crust.piefed.social/p/144608/kamala-harris-campaigns-with-abdul-el-sayed-to-unify-democratic-voters
The former vice president joins Abdul El-Sayed in Detroit to bolster Democratic unity in swing-state Michigan.
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Are y’all still blaming leftists for opposing genocide? Also if you think that she wouldn’t have gotten us into a war with Iran as well, you’re not paying attention. Or that she would’ve improved the environment, or that she would implement universal healthcare. Or that she would’ve handled immigration.
I swear neoliberals love to blame the left for their own shortcomings with nothing but straw man arguments and fallacies.
Yes, she would not have gotten us into a war with Iran, because she is not a moron. Anyone who thinks she would’ve started a war in Iran is bullshitting us and themselves.
She would have started if given the chance to. Only difference would be actually asking congress to declare war in Iran after joining Israel on the first strikes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
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Man it’s really amazing how many dead accounts hate me. Really wonder what I did to get under the skin of a certain user on lemmy.today
This is total B.S. Kamala Harris gave the standard response to those questions that any American politician gives, i.e. “Say something that doesn’t make you look weak but also doesn’t committ.” That’s why it says “but she said she would not discuss hypotheticals.” She gave a non-comittal answer which her political opposition could not use against her. In real life Biden and Harris were committed to the same route that Obama took, which was to actually make a non-nuclear proliferation deal with Iran.
Did she support Israel? Yes. But to claim she would’ve started this same war with Iran is simply rediculous.
Why do you think it’s such a far fetched idea that she would’ve started or participated in a war in Iran? She wanted to have “the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.” For what? Our own protection? You don’t become the most lethal fighting force in the world by reacting, you accomplish it through action. And as others have already pointed out, she’s beholden to Israel and if they would’ve told her they were going to to strike, and that they expected her to do the same, she would have in a heartbeat because then American gets to fight a war it founds it’s way into through an ally rather than us blatantly attacking them.
Sorry this war didn’t come with bombs wrapped in a rainbow flag and instead just exposed the bombs openly themselves. But to look at even what the Biden admin said and did in the wake of Trump 1.0 (things fundamentally will not change or something to that effect that Biden said in 2020.) you’d have to be crazy to think a Democrat is going to come in and save you. Especially one that can’t say genocide in Palestine is happening and it is bad.
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Probably because she’s not an idiot and would actually listen to the generals, and also because she can’t be blackmailed for being a pedophile.
This is, once again, the standard response for any American politician running for president - say something that’s non-commital that also doesn’t make you look weak, so it can’t be misused by your political opposition. It is essentially a non-answer. If you look back every presidential candidate has said something similar, except for Trump (as trump usually just admits he wants to drop bombs on people.)
This is an incredibly simplistic and over reductive view of the situation. The reason why they supported Israel’s genocide (among other reasons too extensive to get into here) was because after Oct. 7th the polling was in support of Israel, and it only turned against Israel after they started the genocide. Now you may aruge that the left and progressives were always against the Palestinian genocide, and you’d be correct. But what you’re not getting is that the Democratic Party does not care about it’s left/progressive wing, because those people are not a consistent voting block. Up until rather recently the majority of Americans were in favor of supporting Israel, and they reacted accordingly, because that’s what politicians do.
I don’t see how me stating the fact that Kamala would not have invaded Iran as equivalent to “a Democrat is going to come in and save me.” How about you blame politicans for the things they actually did, and not the shit they didn’t do or you think they’ll do. You’re literally blaming them for starting a war when in real life democrats have a record of ending wars, not starting them.
Nobody says you have to support democrats, but don’t feed me this crap that somehow they’d be just as bad as republicans because I don’t have time for no bullshit.
It’s not bs when combined with her acceptance speech as the democratic presidential candidate she proudly proclaimed she’d improve the military, which yes is unfortunately standard for American politicians, by making the most lethal in the world.
She would be happy to start it, and with Congress’s blessings. Which they are still hoping eagerly to have trump ask them to vote for
Yes it is complete bullshit. Blame the democrats for things they actually do please, do not blame them for things the Republicans do. Look, just read the response I made to @Space_Cowby92
Their incompetence is a major reason why we have trump. Along with their consistency moving right to be more like republicans
Really? I thought it was because Leftists and progressives didn’t vote for them because they somehow thought Trump would be better in Gaza.
Yes, how dare leftists oppose genocide. 🙄
Disagree. For the reasons that should now be painfully obvious to all Americans. She’s not demented and stupid like trump.
She would have. You appreciate the EPA is dismissing pollution controls? Public lands being sold and destroyed? ANWAR drilling? Wind and solar being shut down? This one’s so simple, how can anyone miss it.
What, by Executive Order? Yeah that wasn’t the offer (though that is the goal). Hundreds of thousands thrown off Medicare, insurance payments skyrocketing, measles outbreaks, “we should all eat more meat”? Yeah she would have been much, much better.
You prefer the fascist paramilitary to - NOT the fascist paramilitary? Because that was what we would have had. NOT that. And hopefully some improvement. “Handled” is pointlessly vague though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m saying voting for Harris would have been much better than whatever the fuck it was the Lemmyleft was trumpeting. Afaik it was either not voting or voting for a candidate no one can even remember two years later.
ICE: famously founded in 2025
Blah blah blah leftists bad and it’s our fault Trump was elected. Get some better talking points. Or better yet, if leftists are so important to democrats winning, maybe implement leftists policies and move towards the left then? But we all know it’s not that, the neolibs just want someone to blame for running a cop as presidential candidate and calling it PrOgReSsIvE.
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Whatever, you got the predisent you wanted. Our leftier-than-thous can try and fix it in the midterms or continue to work against it and watch another two years of abject disaster go by. Again.
Running a cop, ffs. As if you’re completely unaware what we have now.
As someone not inside the US, I would rather an incompetent steward of empire rather than a competent one. You think Harris’ promise of the most lethal military in the world was empty? Your government is uniparty when it comes to foreign policy, the genocide in Gaza is a testament to that.
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My war criminal is worst than the other war criminal therefore i am going to defend her \s Your dumb logic
It’s always disturbing and disappointing to see how little differences there is between Republican and Democrat supporters.