It’s simple: if she wants to wear it it’s fine. If it’s because they are forced to because men are so weak they can’t handle seeing any of a woman’s skin than no, it’s dumb.
Not if men made you wear it. Or men made you think you must wear it.
Or even other women made you think you must wear it.
Social norms are often enforced by women. Yes, also aspect of patriarchy.
Same thing applied to women pressed into convents vs nuns. Or someone ordered into a long skirt vs choosing. The issue is choice, as it always is.
Then she isn’t wearing whatever she wants.
That’s the thing with religion. It’s always brainwashing so how could it ever be what they want?
Assuming all adult women who wear hijabs can’t make their own decisions about what they wear is removing their agency, not enforcing it. That’s anti-feminist.
No, I assume anyone that partakes in any sort of religious tradition does so from being brainwashed. Many traditions even outside of religion are done just because it’s the way we have always done them. Some are kept up for fun, some are kept up for control. Religion is absolutely about control.
Religion can be about control, it can also be about personal belief and faith.
If you assume anyone with faith is brainwashed, there is no point in arguing further. I hope you have more experiences with different people and the wider world so your opinions might gain some nuance.
That’s the thing, I have had experience with lots of people and cultures. That’s why I’ve arrived at the conclusion I have. Religion can make otherwise intelligent people believe the most ridiculous things.
People can believe ridiculous things for any reason at all. Doesn’t mean I’ll detract from someone’s autonomy to wear whatever they want for whatever reason.
Ayn Rand has entered the chat.
Very 14 year old mindset there.
Embrace of a belief system that teaches that women should have less rights and less agency is anti-feminist, even if that embrace is of a feminist’s choosing.
Well you can’t leave Islam under penalty of death.
It’s a child like mindset that keeps people in religions.
Why do you think style changes over time, and has accelerated with television and advertisements? We are all being made to buy and wear something, be it to follow the advertisement “this is the must to wear of the season”, or to oppose consumerism.
So if we can now agree that there is no real free choice, and every choice is to some degree influenced by patriarchy, where do we stand? Does feminism even exist? Or is feminism less about what you wear, and more about how you feel about patriarchy?
It’s not even close to the same thing… Or is there an entire purity culture around fashion where people straight up murder their children because they didn’t wear the newest jeans?
I am sure nobody ever committed suicide because they were bullied because of their clothing
Yeah I ain’t touching the rest of this thread with a 10 foot pole.
Almost sounds like a bunch of French people trying to rationalize their shitty “hijab ban” laws which exclusively target Muslim women.
In theory yes, in practice no.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I totally support her wearing one. In some cultures me wearing clothing covering my top half could be seen as OTT but it’s really important to me that I wear it. Covering my top half when meme don’t automatically have to can be seen as patriarchy, but I would feel awful without wearing tops.
Nothing is more reliable than posting about women’s autonomy then to have men come doubt if she is even capable of making such a choice.
Clearly some men understand the effects of patriarchy on women far greater than a woman ever could. 🙄
Hold on, you can’t be a real feminist, you’re wearing a hat ! 😂
In real life, the thing you can’t do to if you’re a real feminist is (attempt to) force other women to wear, or not wear, a particular type of hat.
Oh but you see, brown women are all helpless brainwashed babies incapable of making their own decisions!
You think you’re jesting, but I’ve seen exactly that attitude coming from feminist groups in my university days. Indeed it was exactly that attitude that killed the NAC in Canada.
No, all religious people are. Your net isn’t wide enough to catch the true problem.
In Iran women get beat up by the religious police or worse if they don’t cover up. This happens not only in Muslim countries, but also in Muslim immigrant communities.
In Turkey the headscarf is called the flag of political Islam.
Now do Canada. France. Germany. Spain. You know, just four of the dozens of countries with people who might wear a hijab.
It is intellectually dishonest to hold up the edge cases and claim that’s the entirety. It kind of undermines your credibility.
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Ah. Looking at your mod log you had no credibility to undermine in the first place.
Also:
What about Saudi Arabia?
What about whataboutism?
Also:
Whenever someone exposes your hypocrisy, the wigga cries whataboutism
Forgot the other half of the post, did you?
That alone shows the quality of your character.
Side-comment: what a surprise that the account posting the surface-level (quite possibly disingenuous) comment has what appears (to me) to be an AI-generated profile pic of a (conventionally) attractive slim blonde woman! It’s almost like it’s not an actual woman making the comment, and they’re making the comment primarily for/towards other non-women…
More seriously, it reeks of the same tone as Musk’s “concerning.” tweets.
It’s Threads - it’s just bots/trolls rage baiting bots/trolls
Even if you do something that is an oxymoron, that doesn’t invalidate your position. I don’t know if this is a good comparison, but I guess you could ask the same with makeup. Even if I don’t do it by choice and wear it because I’m being pressured into it, doesn’t make me less of a feminist or “weird” or whatever. Peer pressure can be very very subtle and we have a lot of internalized stuff going on that we may not have noticed is there yet
The people who say things like the top person are the same people who claim that they’re feminists when all they do is attack trans people.
Rage bait
Oh, look, people! ANOTHER Redcap guy lowering himself to tell us what’s what! This never gets tedious and boring.
Oh no, people might have opinions! Learn to curate your feed.
100% agreed and, indeed, people try to shame hijab wearers in my presence at intense risk of their eardrums.
Going back to your husband who beats you is the epitomy of feminism if you really want to (apparently)
What the hell is this bad faith argument. You think every single women wearing a hijab is either forced and may be afraid of removing it if she decide too?
Oh look, people! A Redcap guy has graced us with his presence.
A woman wearing a t-shirt saying “Fuck Feminism”
Feminist of not?
Gratuitous mention of edge case.
Derailing or not?
spoiler
Yes.
edited to add
As a male and a man, I want to add, that the headscarf in general is a very practical garment. It offers protection from the cold, dust, or the sun and can be worn all day even with headphones or personal protective equipment no problem. It’s easy to buy online in a variety of materials, colors, and patterns without need for measurements or trial and error because at it’s core, it’s literally just a rectangular piece of fabric - one-size truly fits all.
I actually wear one every day since at least half a year now. It’s comfy all day including when working or gaming. Drafts don’t cause a stiff neck and the room temperature can be a degree or two lower without causing discomfort.
As a male and a man …
… I want to talk here where I’m specifically not welcome to talk because my being a man means my voice simply must be heard.
Hi Kali thanks so much for stopping by! We’re a trans inclusive women only community and ask men don’t comment thanks for understanding 🥰
Does it protect you from being molested by thirsty guys?
Probably not.
