Take your showel and crowbar and join the strike, because that’s what scares the powerful the most, that we might not work for them. Shooting? That’s a simple problem to solve for them, just send in cops or the army.
If we’re talking in absolutes, state can be overthrown without guns : it’s a social construct, it can be unmade by social means.
Now, it’s far far easier with violence, and violence is easier with guns, so practically and realistically you’re probably right. But eh, i like nitpicking.
it also entirely depends on which state we’re talking about.
The norwegian state can absolutely be overthrown if the “overthrow the state” party gets 90% of the votes with 100% voter turnout, whereas the american government might well just nuke seattle if they see any third party getting more than 3% of votes…
But the state is the monopolist on violence…
Otherwise you have a social group that has no means to enforce it’s will on others…
Thus it could be ignored entirely as a “construct.”
Since both Australian and USians practically and realistically praxis violence on it’s population, there is only one course of action to counter a gun violent state…
I always ask people who want to take away guns, why is it that authoritarians love to do this with marginalized people first then everybody? Even today with such military advancements. Why would a government be worried about its millions of people being armed and angry at them. So far, not one of them has tried to answer it.
You can get weapons, it’s not impossible. You basically just can’t have a criminal history and need to present a good enough reason (sport shooting, hunting, collecting, etc).
But very few Australians are leftists, so it’s not like the quote would be something most would agree with. They’re liberals who think giving the state the monopoly in violence is a good idea.
I feel like the main thing that needs to happen to overthrow a state is not exactly guns, but for the oppressors to put theirs down. It just so happens they usually need an argument they’re able to understand.
Pretty much like California then. In Georgia, I could walk in a shop and buy anything. Here in CA, I think the wait period is lover a week, and shops are all but non existent. In GA, there is legitimate hunting and need. CA is more for the paranoid, at least here in SoCal. Y’all also have a lot more police training, if memory serves. That makes a big difference in the numbers and risk/assessment.
Most real liberals I have ever met look more like conservative stereotypes, own guns, are reasonable, and do not get tangled with idealism. That is not to say, indifferent to egalitarian cause, but realize the greatest evils in the world are ignorance and indifference.
the greatest evils in the world are ignorance and indifference.
That is idealism.
There’s no amount of information or appealing to morality or being really good and smart that will cause US politicians to stop giving weapons to Israel; they wouldn’t be in positions of power if their ideology didn’t benefit the military-industrial complex that finances their campaigns.
The loudest voices, especially on here, want to take away ALL guns in the USA. For many reasons it’s not going to happen and it’s pretty stupid to think it’s a good idea overall. Authoritarians regardless of political stripe like to disarm their public. Getting guns is one of the first things resistance groups do to start the overthrow of their oppressors.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary
Found the American 😁
Take your showel and crowbar and join the strike, because that’s what scares the powerful the most, that we might not work for them. Shooting? That’s a simple problem to solve for them, just send in cops or the army.
Lol, someone has never read Marx. Bro has never read a lick of theory if they cannot recognize one of the most iconic quotes of leftists philosophy.
Like, I’m not even a Marxist yet I recognize a quote by Marx when I see one.
Australian.
You cannot overthrow the state without weapons and at least a genuine threat to use them.
If we’re talking in absolutes, state can be overthrown without guns : it’s a social construct, it can be unmade by social means.
Now, it’s far far easier with violence, and violence is easier with guns, so practically and realistically you’re probably right. But eh, i like nitpicking.
you can walk through walls if by chance your electrons line up
it also entirely depends on which state we’re talking about.
The norwegian state can absolutely be overthrown if the “overthrow the state” party gets 90% of the votes with 100% voter turnout, whereas the american government might well just nuke seattle if they see any third party getting more than 3% of votes…
But the state is the monopolist on violence… Otherwise you have a social group that has no means to enforce it’s will on others…
Thus it could be ignored entirely as a “construct.”
Since both Australian and USians practically and realistically praxis violence on it’s population, there is only one course of action to counter a gun violent state…
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P sure they were quoting Marx lmao
TIL Karl Marx was an American.
I always ask people who want to take away guns, why is it that authoritarians love to do this with marginalized people first then everybody? Even today with such military advancements. Why would a government be worried about its millions of people being armed and angry at them. So far, not one of them has tried to answer it.
Ain’t oz like fully disarmed?
You can get weapons, it’s not impossible. You basically just can’t have a criminal history and need to present a good enough reason (sport shooting, hunting, collecting, etc).
But very few Australians are leftists, so it’s not like the quote would be something most would agree with. They’re liberals who think giving the state the monopoly in violence is a good idea.
I feel like the main thing that needs to happen to overthrow a state is not exactly guns, but for the oppressors to put theirs down. It just so happens they usually need an argument they’re able to understand.
Pretty much like California then. In Georgia, I could walk in a shop and buy anything. Here in CA, I think the wait period is lover a week, and shops are all but non existent. In GA, there is legitimate hunting and need. CA is more for the paranoid, at least here in SoCal. Y’all also have a lot more police training, if memory serves. That makes a big difference in the numbers and risk/assessment.
Most real liberals I have ever met look more like conservative stereotypes, own guns, are reasonable, and do not get tangled with idealism. That is not to say, indifferent to egalitarian cause, but realize the greatest evils in the world are ignorance and indifference.
That is idealism.
There’s no amount of information or appealing to morality or being really good and smart that will cause US politicians to stop giving weapons to Israel; they wouldn’t be in positions of power if their ideology didn’t benefit the military-industrial complex that finances their campaigns.
Gun control does not equal gun ban. That applies to most countries in the world.
The loudest voices, especially on here, want to take away ALL guns in the USA. For many reasons it’s not going to happen and it’s pretty stupid to think it’s a good idea overall. Authoritarians regardless of political stripe like to disarm their public. Getting guns is one of the first things resistance groups do to start the overthrow of their oppressors.
Then let’s let the rich control guns🙃