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How you gonna lose a meme war against a theocracy?
Step 1: deliver eons worth of material for free.
Al Capone was very successful at running blackmail and intimidation rackets despite being mentally well below average. It doesn’t take intelligence to do what maga does, that’s kinda the point why they do it because it’s the only way they’ve seen how to accumulate power that doesn’t require intelligence or at least good prediction models.
The mainstream should re-think what intelligence is because experts already said there are different types of intelligence. Are math prodigies with autism not intelligent? Are biologists dumb for struggling with quantum physics? That said, someone who may be unempathetic and lack emotional intelligence may have high intelligence on how to persuade and manipulate others. Many would call this Machiavellian (although personally, I don’t see Machiavellianism as inherently bad). It takes certain skill and intelligence to become a mob boss despite doing poorly in school, or even a leader of a country.
A lot on Lemmy scoffed it when I said Trump and other dictators are not as dumb as they might seem to be, because they ended up in charge, not someone on Lemmy with PhD. It possesses a certain kind of intelligence to be a demagogue and take power.
On the one hand, I think it is true that a certain kind of skill is required to read and manipulate people - the same kind of skill a conman or used car salesman needs to do their work, and that kind of skill obviously doesn’t need knowledge of quantum physics or even a rudimentary understanding of how the world in general works.
On the other hand, one shouldn’t give people like Trump, Berlusconi and Idi Amin too much credit. They ended up where they did largely due to historical happenstance, and millions of other conmen and used car salespeople stayed small-time.
Putin wasn’t the only KGB colonel before he became the president of Russia. He had peers and were given equal footing as him. But he had proven to be more cunning and ruthless than them so he gained power. Those low level conning salesmen you mentioned, they probably weren’t savvy enough. However, if they had been as savvy as the most successful con salesman, Elon Musk, then their fates would have been different otherwise.
There are those who started from the bottom, quite literally. Stalin was a pure thug who robbed banks for the Bolsheviks. He was also ridiculed for being intellectually inferior on the communist theory, especially by Lenin. And well, who lived until the ripe old age of 70, while the other was murdered in cold blood with an icepick?
I neglected to mention before and what I’m trying to say now, is to not underestimate the opponent. Once the person underestimates the opponent, is when that person loses. It’s the basic of art of war. I’m gonna be blunt, who is dumber? The person whose social security details were robbed in broad daylight, and that data is sold and fed to the private digital surveillance to train AI? It’s certainly not the dumb ketamine addicted CEO of a conglomerate of grifting companies, nor the dumb orange president who could push the red button at any notice. To think you and I are not dumb, whose details were already put into surveillance AI, are wishful thinking and coping.
Never underestimate the opposition.
Putin wasn’t the only KGB colonel before he became the president of Russia. He had peers and were given equal footing as him. But he had proven to be more cunning and ruthless than them so he gained power.
Putin isn’t in the category I mentioned. Even so, Putin rapidly rose up the political ranks and in the chaos of the later Yeltsin presidency ended up prime minister largely by chance.
Those low level conning salesmen you mentioned, they probably weren’t savvy enough.
The numbers don’t add up. Suppose there are a million savvy conmen. How can they all become major players on the international business and political scene? There just aren’t enough of those positions.
However, if they had been as savvy as the most successful con salesman, Elon Musk, then their fates would have been different otherwise.
Elon Musk started with a heap of money (as did Trump), in an oligarchic system heavily favouring those with money.
And well, who lived until the ripe old age of 70, while the other was murdered in cold blood with an icepick?
Not Lenin, who died of an unknown illness. I think you mean Trotsky.
Never underestimate the opposition.
My opposition, personally? That would be practically all politicians, ideologically, to some degree or other. I am not a member of any political organization.
One should also not overestimate them.
I used Putin as example because any sleazy jobs require the same Machiavellian instincts as with being a devious salesman. Not every dodgy salesman becomes millionaire or CEO with political leverage, because they may either happy with their gains or not ambitious enough and comfortable to remain in their stations. However, those ambitious enough beat their competition with ruthless efficiency. I’m sure there are hundreds of millionaires and billionaires who started as lowly deceptive salesman, but we just haven’t heard of them because they’re not publicly prominent.
Going back to Putin, it wasn’t really a chance on how he came to power. He was a colonel of one of the most feared spy agencies. I mean, what would you do with that much access to power if you are as ambitious as Putin? Sure, luck and happenstance also play key roles, but luck is a residue of preparation. Knowing how to take advantage of those lucky opportunities to forward own’s agenda takes certain skills to mobilise and pull the necessary levers.
A lot of people of dismiss the likes of Musk and Trump’s ability on how they got into power as being the result of being silver spooned. But people conveniently forget that it still requires knowledge, skills and experience to maintain the high status. Plenty of famous intergenerational wealthy families eventually lose their status because their descendants squander the fortunes handed to them. If Trump and Musk are stupid, they would be poor and not have gotten to the White House. So, they still have some intelligence but not about being empathetic.
I’m talking about in general on the anti-Trump camp as underestimating his stupidity. Authoritarian bodies eventually fall because of corruption and stupidity, but that’s not what is happening at the moment. The Trumpian America is just getting started and him and his cronies are smart enough on how to gain power and secure it. You may not be politically active, but they know already that you’re possibly anti-Trump because they took your social security details and other public records, and fed it into their surveillance system. Sorry to be so gloomy but I’m gonna be frank, they’re not stupid for having just robbed you, a nobody Lemmy while they are the ones in charge and spying on you.
I don’t know, I came from a former dictator run country and know how to call a spade a spade. So I will be blunt say Americans are still making heads or tails, on whether or not they are in a fascist state, because they never experienced what dictatorship is before. Constantly calling authoritarians stupid, while you and I are relying on supply chain run by them and could pressure us to conform, maybe we’re the stupid ones. Calling them stupid is coping for not accepting the fact that the inferiors outwitted us and manipulating our means of living.
Chicago pope and Luci could dunk on JD and excommunicate him by meme
What happened?
Trump purging his best staff like Stalin in 1938.
Then, when funny mustache guy attacked, Comrade Stalin (privately) recognized the mistake he made and re-staffed the army with professionals, while Hitler doubled down on the replacement of professionals with sycophants. Guess who won ?
Bur after the war, Stalin promptly got rid of the army guys again, as they were getting too popular for his taste.
Many firings.
Politics in shitposts
I 100% agree, but there’s no ‘political shitposts’ comm, et voilà
Seriously tho is nowhere safe from politics?
Edit: so basically what people are saying is the lynchpin of the movement is saturation? Not action, marching, protesting, legal discourse, performing acts of resistance. Its this. This is the play?
You’re starting to get it. Politics is not just a very boring television channel. It’s power transactions at the highest levels and it affects basically every thing. To even be able to whine about having to pay attention to politics is a great privilege.
I hear what your saying. However. I need some place to take a break from it. It’s not like I am saying we should ignore politics. I am saying in a humor based community we need a place to rest and heal so we can get back out there. Most of us are burnt out
I understand and am very burned out about it all myself. But I will never have the audacity to complain out loud that anyone is ruining my escapism as long as people out there are suffering with no chance of escape. We’re bombing the fuck out of 80 million people right now.
Nope. As long as our lives get destroyed by rich strangers we will never meet, everything will be political. Trying to force that is just head in the sand.
Me not giving a fuck about your banana republic regime’s internal musical chairs soap opera is also political.
Sort of. Mostly seems like nihilism or denialism.
I don’t know the names of any of the people in the OP pic.
And the fact they were supposedly fired had absolutely no effect on US politics in relation to my life.
I bet you couldn’t name a single effect those firings had on your life, as well.The major, gigantic, impact on your life relies on the fact that these were military expert officers who warned that escalation or ground troops in Iran would be a major disaster. A disaster, where even/especially if you are outside of US will cause extreme cost of living increases with lower quality, at best, assuming you are not ones who will starve, or simply have 0 fuel and ultra low food production.
Ground troops as an example, means a very long war that could cancel US midterms. Where global shortages are extreme and last too long. $400/bbl oil and $15/gallon US gasoline with double the price elsewhere in the world are the future under such action. Where political wing of Pentagon already needs an excuse to cancel mid terms, incredible global/little americans suffering is the consequence.
Ah now that generalization was shown to be shortsighted, suddenly it was always about the specifics in the post. Interesting.
I know but how far does it need to go? How long until my kids are force fed shit about some American political bollocks on their Minecraft server?
That seems like a slippery slope argument to me. Pretty unlikely.
But when they do, will he be able to say “we’re playing Minecraft here, can we cool it with USA politics?” Without being told to get his head out the sand? I mean, theres rich people he’ll never meet or influence in any way destroying the world, itd be pretty irresponsible to allow him a space to disassociate with it.
Also not a realistic scenario. Purely slippery slope argument.
“… and then he responded ‘Never has been,’ and that’s the last transmission we got from Artemis II.”
Not on lemmy. I spent weeks blocking all the stupid bullshit and now it just infects communities that used to be good. Getting close to blocking this one too.
Be careful. I’ve recently been informed that lemmy is 100% political and I should find my shitposts elsewhere.
I’m surprised Trump doesn’t ask musk to remove all Iranian state accounts on Twitter.
Technically, he did. Along with everyone else’s…
