• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    13 hours ago

    Conservatives wouldn’t be able to convince them of that if there wasn’t a part of it that rings true with their personal experience.

    And I can tell you that as a cishet white guy I’ve found it extremely difficult to participate in progressive spaces. It often feels like I’m not welcome at all, or that I’m only welcome as long as I keep my mouth shut. I’ve felt like I was being used as a punching bag by people who didn’t have anywhere else to direct their misplaced rage, and no one has ever cared that I experience problems too. If I even so much as mention a problem that I face or the fact that I face problems, I get absolutely trashed for it.

    Pretending no one is chasing cishetero white men out of progressive spaces is not going to solve the issue. We’re not welcome on women’s spaces. We’re not welcome in BIPOC spaces. We’re not welcome in queer spaces. What’s left? Cause I guarantee you if someone tried starting a progressive space specifically for cishetero white men, then everyone would be furious.

    And even if there were spaces that encompassed all identities under a common progressive umbrella, cishetero white men would still be the red-headed step child of those spaces.

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      2 hours ago

      As a cishet white guy myself, I have to agree… to a point. Part of being an ally at this point in time really is a matter of just shutting the fuck up and listening. Allowing our presence alone to be our contribution and support. Allowing others to speak and lead. Not trying to correct people or broadcast our opinions. If folks want to hear us they’ll ask. If they seem upset at you as a proxy for our demographic, don’t get defensive. It’s reasonable for marginalized groups to hate and fear us. Take it on the chin. Change and healing takes time, you can’t expect to walk into these spaces and get VIP treatment. You’ll have to earn that.

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        3 hours ago

        Sure, just dismiss the personal experience that I’m relating to you just because you don’t believe it. I’m sure that’s just just prejudice talking. Oh wait.

        Propaganda is a part of it, yes, but if it didn’t have a kernel of truth that people felt then it could never take root. It takes advantage of a critical exploit, which is the disillusionment and rejection that many of these people already face.