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    It’s because Republicans and neoliberal democrats (the majority of them) take their marching orders from the billionaire class.

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          Not in leadership, where it matters.

          Sure, there are lots of progressive voters, and even a few token reps. It doesn’t matter, window dressing for the defenstration.

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            Fair enough, of course the US government has literally never listened to the people which is statistically provable. What is worse is most nations are about the same.

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            Problem is Americans don’t turn over incumbents before the wealthy corrupt them or their peers assimilate them into the political class.

            The only path forward for US to remain a functional democracy is to primary sitting democrats at a rate faster than they can be corrupted.

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              Really we need a system that doesn’t use popular vote to determine representation. Even with good safety rails it eventually turns into an oligarchy which has happened to every major democracy.

              I would even argue that democracy itself is just a window dressing around the world for the ruling class.

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                We already know you’re an enlightened centrist dude. No need to elaborate.

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                    Mom raised me to read above the 5th grade level.

                    Independent for 30+ years just means you’re old enough to have lead poisoning in your brain.

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      You don’t know what “neoliberal” means. Lumping most Democrats in with Trump is painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality.

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        You don’t know what “painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality” means.

        bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker

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          Thanks for admitting you don’t know what “neoliberal” means, you ill-informed blowhard. It’s just a buzzword to people like you.

          bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker

          Grow the fuck up. If you can’t see the difference between the administrations of Biden and Trump, you’re an absolute fucking dumbass.

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          Look we have a both sider just in time for the next election. What a strange coincidence.

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            Oh yes, every two years, what an UNCANNY COINCIDENCE that an independent speaks six months before an election. You are truly the world’s greatest detective.

            meanwhile, in reality, independents are 40% of the electorate. Ds and Rs are down to 30% each.

            Perhaps you should listen to the independents, instead of insulting them? You need independents to win any election. You’re not doing yourself any favors.

            This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?

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              This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?

              Both parties aren’t losing voters, fucking dumbass. The same amount of Trump supporters shows up in 2024 as 2020.

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              Hey look, someone who thinks that independents can win and not just siphon off votes in our two party first past the post voting system.

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            Looks like we have a genocide stanning, Blue MAGA party loyalist, just in time for the next election, what a strange coincidence.

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              If your referring to me you are about as wrong as you can be. I have no qualms calling out the US as the fascist nation it has always been.

              I am also not afraid to call out Russia and China as fascist nations as well. I grow tired of campists from .ml as they are mostly just authoritarian apologists.

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                authoritarian apologists.

                Authoritarianism is a useless term created by Liberals to obfuscate the differences between Socialism and Fascism.

                Russia is a vaguely protofascist Oligarchy, that’s kind of true. They only deserve support in so far as their actions weaken imperial hegemony.

                China is not at all fascist and it’s laughable that you suggest it is. Unless your definition of Fascism is “when the government says there are things I’m not allowed to do”…

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                  Yup, found another authoritarian apologist. No surprise.

                  Tell me how China, that cranked out more billionaires than the US this and last year, is not practicing unfettered capitalism.

                  Tell me how supplying arms to war torn countries is not fascist. They are now the fourth largest producer of arms

                  Tell me how they are not an authoritarian oligarchy with a single ruling party where dissent is punished with prison.

                  Actually, don’t bother. I hate hearing from human rights abusers. Disgusting.

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                    All I’m getting here is that you don’t understand the actual meaning of a lot of the words you’re using, and that you uncritically accept Imperialist framing of everything.

                    China isn’t practicing “unfettered capitalism”, because their economy is under the control of the people through the Communist Party. What they are practicing is a form of socialism, the middle state between capitalism and communism which includes parts of both.

                    China did produce more billionaires than the US last year. Developing economies tend to do that faster and more often than stale ones. China also sentenced more billionaires to death for exploitation last year than the US has ever, but that little data point doesn’t fit with your CIA approved narrative.

                    “Supplying arms to war torn countries” is that Fedspeak for “giving oppressed nations and resistance groups the ability to fight back against Imperialism”?

                    China is not an “authoritarian Oligarchy”, you’re thinking of the United States.

                    The U.S. is an Oligarchy? The Research, Explained | RepresentUs https://share.google/JIlxY85GIDUfoKG6o

                    China is a robust democracy where people have direct control, so parties in the Western sense are unnecessary and undesirable.

                    Studies show strong public support for China’s political system https://share.google/T9Bm5GvSUW0Xt0hdz

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            They want Democrats to keep loosing until their dumbass fantasy comes true.

            Lazy “billionaire” criticism is so frustrating when we watch Republicans cut taxes for billionaires and take away healthcare coverage from 17 million Americans.