Oh I dont lol

As opposed to you who is doing…?

Kamala may not have gone to war with Iran (good)

She did promise “the most lethal military in the history of the world” or whatever, and that really only means one thing: killing a whole lot of people.

Pissrael is her master all the same.

but but but Russia!!! China!!!

Simple math and logic dictate that at that point in time ANY ACTION other than voting for Harris was supporting Trump.

Logically, it must then follow that ANY ACTION other than voting for Trump was supporting Harris.

Did I also vote Marianne Williamson, Cenk Uygur, and Cornell West by voting for Jill Stein? Or just Trump and Harris? I’m trying to figure out the limits to this new infinite-voting glitch we discovered together.

Blaming anyone that voted third party is one of the most tiresome, braindead, selfish opinions.

It’s also mathematically ignorant. If Harris received every single third party vote excluding RFK Jr’s, even if you include Libertarians who are more right-leaning, she still would’ve lost.

What? I did vote. For Jill Stein.

Voting for democrats categorically is not “attempting to stop fascism” any more than supporting the Weimar Republic was “attempting to stop Nazism”. They’re weak, corrupt, feckless, and ineffectual. Their corporate-owned neoliberal politics and suppression of leftwing populism paves the way for fascism’s inevitable rise through rightwing populism.

Didn’t read the rest of whatever you said there. I’m not really interested in addressing your Blue MAGA meltdown or reading about how you’re sad that people give you shit for supporting an avowed genocidaire.

You may view Dems as being an obviously-better option than Republicans. I do not, so if you do not convince me otherwise, I literally could not care less if your party continues losing.

Run better candidates if you want to win. That’s how democracies work, right?

The same thing that would happen if Harris won: more death. I imagine Hamas also knows they were not going to win a military victory. The victory to be had for them is, I imagine, a moral one: exposing the moral vacuum at the heart of the American Empire (so Israel included). And in that, they have achieved a massive victory without a doubt.

It’s disgusting that any Palestinian was killed regardless of administration, but that’s the pragmatic reality until Israel ceases to exist. So the question has to be how to achieve that, and I think they’ve made massive strides towards it. And as for America, it’s dying all on its own.

Capitalists are not vulnerable to political pressure from the left because capitalism is inherently contrary to the demands of real leftists. So, my answer to your second question is: neither. And you don’t even have to take my word for it: my evidence is Biden refusing to end political aid to Israel and Harris pleading “no change” from that genocidal policy. I mean for fucks sake, Trump even pretended to reschedule cannabis before Biden did!

Yes, America inspired the Nazis, then both America and the Nazis inspired the Zionazis. I totally agree that the American Empire is the greatest sponsor of global terror and the most violent entity currently, or perhaps ever, existing on our planet. I also agree that Israel is effectively just one colonial outpost of that American Empire. Nothing I said was contrary to that, and words aren’t “buzzwords” just because you’re uneducated on their actual meaning.

Okay, so the left caused your candidate to lose. Aside from the fact that Holocaust Harris would’ve lost even if she received every single third party vote except RFK’s, even including Libertarians who are usually more right-leaning, sure, let’s go with that narrative anyway.

The left is the reason your candidate lost, because the left did not find your candidate worth voting for.

Sounds like you should listen to the demands of the left if you want to stop losing then. And we demand an end to all aid to genocidal Israel and no corporate campaign donors.

Otherwise, you can keep losing. You may view Dems as being an obviously-better option than Republicans. I do not, so if you do not convince me otherwise, I literally could not care less if your party continues losing.

Run better candidates if you want to win. That’s how democracies work, right?

I can live with that.

They value the abstract risk to their personal safety, and that of their loved ones, over the assured mass-murder of Palestinians. I stand by what I said.

Voting for a party guilty of participation in genocide, and a candidate who vowed “no change” from those genocidal policies, is not “the absolute minimum to combat fascism”.

To the contrary, it is enabling fascism… and really, much worse things than simple fascism. It’s just not enabling those things within the USA as much. So you’re willing to inflict those evils upon people overseas if it preserves your privilege and comfort at home, and the privilege and comfort of those who you care for.

You are valuing the your own comfort and the comfort of members of your in-group as being higher priority (supreme) above the lives of other human beings. You are prioritizing your own comfort and privilege over the literal ethnic-based mass-murder of other humans (and yes, ICE is a terrible American Gestapo under Trump, but it is still not remotely comparable to what the Zionazis have done in Palestine).

To reach such a conclusion, you must hold white supremacist values, at least to the extent that the values of the west are defined by the white ruling class. Yes, even if you are not white. You need to purge those from your mind.

And that’s also not me insulting you. It’s totally normal for someone who grew up (I assume) under American propaganda. It’s incredibly subtle and incredibly effective.

ok Blue MAGA, you do your thing

If the Green Party has a future, I think it’s Butch Ware. I’m a much bigger fan of his though I really have no problems with Jill Stein either.

Elevating Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately, your party cannot tolerate leftwing populism because it threatens the capitalist oligarchs (or “campaign donors”, I think is their preferred language) who own them, so they rigged their primaries to guarantee his loss, coalesced around an already-half-senile racist creep, and paved the way for the rise of rightwing populism as an inevitable response to the material reality that neoliberalism has failed the population.

Aside from that, the left has coordinated a very organized response to ICE terror across the country while mainstream liberals show up once every few months for No Kings protests which have no specific demands except to request Trump stop being something he already is not. They have also contributed significantly towards changing public opinion on the genocidal Zionazi regime, to the point where more Americans now sympathize with Palestinians than their occupiers, while your party continued funding the occupation and genocide and praised the police who beat nonviolent student protestors working towards that end.

The legalization of cannabis can’t be solely attributed to leftists, but they certainly contributed to that accomplishment as well. And the decriminalization of psychedelics even moreso.

Now let’s flip the question on you. What have the Democrats actually accomplished in the last 30 years?

Price increases on streaming services you mean?

If so, a magical alternative exists on the high seas, or so I’ve heard

Your paycheck from Putin or George Soros or whatever is in the mail, soldier.

What the hell has the left actually done in this country to change anything, to stop fascism, to defeat capitalisim?

Well, the 5-day workweek and the end of child labor, to start.

• doesn’t join the groups
• claims to understand their ideology (or lack thereof)

Try getting involved with real world leftist groups instead of just the online ones. And not PSL either lol. The goal is building class consciousness and solidarity, and that’s a slow fuckin slog in America, so it doesn’t look exciting or like things aren’t being handled with the appropriate urgency but it needs to be done. We cannot do anything if we aren’t organized, we cannot organize if we are all being exploited every moment of our lives.

Also Green Party candidates won 57% of the local elections they ran in (in 2024 or 2025, not sure which) if you’re more the electoral politics type (which imo is far less potent than the community organizing type, though there’s no reason you can’t do both).

Hasan Piker is a grifter, I’m with you there though.

Yes, so your degree of complicity should be minimized to the greatest extent possible for your individual circumstances. Pretty universally-accessible ways to achieve this can include not voting for blue or red genocidaires, boycotting all Israeli products, and demanding an end to all aid to Israel.

The solution to “life in America means you’re complicit in genocide” is not to throw up your hands and say “well fuck it, there’s no point in avoiding contributing to it further then!” Much like the solution to “no ethical consumption under capitalism” isn’t to say “well fuck it, might as well buy the biggest truck I can find and eat all my food with single-use plastic”.