I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?

  • Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
    2·
    14 hours ago

    I think that incarceration isn’t necessarily problem. It’s who gets incarcerated for what, and how many innocent people mistakenly end up railroaded. Alternatively, cases of affluenza and individuals who help keep the broken system going, are often considered above the law.

    Violent offenders should be locked up. All of them, regardless of wealth or connections. But they still deserve to participate in a fair and just legal system.

    Nonviolent offenders should be fined, and the amount they’re fined should be equivalent to the crime they’ve committed while taking their own wealth and ability to pay into consideration. If people commit a very serious nonviolent crime, but either can’t or won’t pay off the debt they’re fined, they should have the option of volunteering in their community to pay off their debt. If they fail to pay fines or repay their community via volunteer time, then potentially they should have their wages garnished.

    Most importantly though, nobody should be getting insanely wealthy via investments in private prisons. There should be no incentive to simply pack as many people as possible into a prison while pretending that you’ve done something positive for society that also just happens to greatly increase your profits.

  • slazer2au@lemmy.worldEnglish
    391·
    3 days ago

    Prisons more like European prisons that focuses on rehabilitation not isolation. Not slave labour camps the Americans call jails.

      • Paragone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        412·
        3 days ago

        Not all can be rehabilitated: some just are wired THAT different, & butcher people for fun, because that’s the way they’re wired.

        Ignoring that is the making-believing that makes such believers into accessory-to-murder when the not-contained serial-murderer murders yet-another.

        There was a story, maybe a few years ago, a woman who wouldn’t accept that an inmate was really destructive-of-life, she befriended him, & got butchered.

        Leftist got ate by leopards.

        ( it isn’t only the right which demonstrates idiocy! )

        The problem is that categories exist, & our whole system is pretending that it’s a spectrum, instead of distinct-categories, with spectrums … sorta-overlapping … each category.

        Some absolutely need to be permanently segregated from communities.

        & the idiocy of putting people into a criminality-manufacturing-pressure-cooker while gaslighting about that somehow being “corrections”, needs to be terminated.

        Correct the problem-motivation/wrong-mental-function, aversion-therapy may well be part of that, but don’t increase the criminality in them, & do offer them humanness-improvement opportunity & asssitance.

        _ /\ _

        • fizzle@quokk.auEnglish
          19·
          3 days ago

          A focus on rehabilitation doesn’t mean releasing dangerous predators into society. Merely that rehabilitation is the focus, rather than punishment or profit.

          • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            3 days ago

            Correct. Some simply require a permanent albeit humane separation from civil society. Anders Breivik is an example of this.

            • GreyEyedGhost@piefed.caEnglish
              8·
              3 days ago

              Absolutely my take. People who are harmful to society need to be removed from society for the good of society. These people should be treated humanely, and we need to accept that a great many of them behave the way they were taught. What we need to do while society is being protected from them is teach them how to behave in society. For those that accept that their behavior needs to change and learn new behavior, great. Release them on parole, monitor and assist them to make sure the new behavior is being maintained and let them continue with their lives. For those who don’t or won’t learn to behave in society, keep them isolated from society in a humane environment with people there to make sure the recalcitrant and incorrigible aren’t harming themselves and each other, and move on.

              And all that leads to the question of what is harmful to society…

  • Fleur_@aussie.zone
    10·
    2 days ago

    This is the greatest bait I’ve ever seen. Dying laughing at jaywalkers lmao. Teach me your ways king

  • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    2 days ago

    Tell the murderers and child molesters: We’re letting you go with a warning this time. But if you even think about anything reprehensible again, we’ll lock you up with the JAYWALKERS.

    /s

  • whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    9·
    3 days ago

    Poverty and proximity are major factors increasing and sustaining crime, and if people don’t commit crimes they don’t become incarcerated prisoners. So better social systems for people who need it and forcing wealthy citizens to co-locate with poor citizens so they have to share the same goods and services instead of allowing a multi class system in everything but name. And for the US obviously outlawing for profit prisons and the prison slavery clause of the 13th amendment. No crime justifies slavery as a punishment. That’ll reduce prison populations by such a large amount that you could easily manage rehabilitation and humane incarceration programs for each individual.

    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldOP
      2·
      2 days ago

      I can absolutely agree with outlawing for profit prisons and abolishing the 13th amendment. Thanks for the contribution!

      • pocopene@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        People have no sense of humor. I’m still surprised that no “smart aleck” has corrected you on the “encarnation” thing.

    • insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      If I were arrested for jaywalking, I would definitely request the death penalty.

      It’s a shame they’d probably reject it.

    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldOP
      103·
      3 days ago

      I think the addition is contributing to downvotes. But, I just figured some levity in a ultra rough topic is nice.

    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldOP
      71·
      3 days ago

      I’d be willing to bet part of it is the fact when I comment or post in shitpost/memes I troll. So lots of people have tagged me with “bad faith” “troll”, etcetera. When I post/comment here and in serious communities I speak genuinely. My over a dozen posts and 1500+ comments here and in serious communities are proof of that. However, that doesn’t dissuade them from thinking I can’t switch to serious. Idk personally if I couldn’t code switch well I literally wouldn’t have survived my childhood. So its just kind of natural for me to speak differently in different environments. Which is how I view communities here. I think the same type of folks will downvote it because I included jaywalking to keep it somewhat light.