There is no air is space therefore the datacenters will not work. Uhg man these forums are like this too. The AI hate train is trying to hold back high performance computing from processing sensor data and streaming it back to earth.
Honestly if anyone here thinks this is an exclusive or even mostly republican problem you’re just dishonest. I know you can see your peers doing this and I know you are too bitch to call them out. Fuck you.
I know that this makes me fit exactly with what you were describing; indeed I’m not rejecting your premise, I just think you’ve chosen a hilariously bad example to demonstrate it.
No dude there is people all over lemmy screaming that because there is no air in space datacenters won’t work up there. That is the extent of it dude, and you let it slide. These are your peers and you let them think the reason it is won’t work is because no air.
Now for high performance computing to crunch sensor data before streaming it back to earth? That is a great idea that has existed long before AI, why would you want to hinder science because of AI hate fad? Why don’t you want scientists to have computers in space? How is this not the absolute perfect example I never said datacenters are a good idea but you inserted that over what I did say which was HPC for science in space. Like bro come I’m going to need to you apologise I can’t keep losing faith in you people like this.
Air & water is what carries most of the heat away. Putting server farms that need to stay cool in space makes 0 sense. Space isn’t necessarily “cold” like people think.
Air & water are not the only things that can cool a computer down in space. We want faster more powerful computers in space to process telescope data before streaming it back to earth because the limits are bandwidth and computing we can already send big camera sensors up there. The AI hate fad is catching strays. Some of our more amazing data is from longform surveys taken from the ground where the data is stored in, you guessed it, a datacenter.
Stop moving the goal post. To process satellite images, you need way, waaaaay, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less compute than for AI datacenters. We are not arguing about image processing for a single satellite. (Which is still jot a great idea, ideally you’d want to improve throughput instead since you still want the raw images for people to work with, just faster, no?)
No, what you were talking about were data enters for AI (no, you didn’t say AI, but that’s what everyone on Lemmy says is a bad idea in space, and you were referring to everyone on Lemmy, so, we are talking about AI data enters in space).
putting them in space doesn’t make them faster.
putting them in space is incredibly expensive
cooling them in space is way harder than on earth; radiating heat away is a function of the surface area of the cooling modules, and you cannot escape that
maintenance (remember - things fail) is way harder and astronomically expensive and slow
and, thanks for reminding me, sending AI output to and from is subject to the same slowness as for images from telescopes
Sorry, “data-center in space” is a stupid idea. Musk yaps about it because a) he’s an idiot and b) enough investors fell for it
One way is just by making something hot. It will radiate heat energy into space without convection. But I am not here trying to design a space computer I am here to piss on internet tribalism.
Space is chock full of very hot dust. The data centers wouldn’t be capable of cooling themselves. It would be nice if we used those resources to improve things, not litter the various orbital bands of The Earth, Moon, and Solar System.
Historically, STEM doesn’t exist for the vast majority of that time. Historically wasting resources on pet projects of egomaniacs kills a ton of people needlessly.
You don’t know what historically means but don’t worry you can just google it. And you are inserting elon musk to assault STEM that isn’t cash money of you dude, that’s a fuck you from me buddy.
Lol. You either can’t read, or assume everyone else’s motives poorly. I didn’t specify an egomanaiacle asshole, there are plenty to pick from. I have no issue with actual STEM. As a CS graduate, I do have an issue with dead-end hallucinating parrots eating trillions of dollars of resources that could have been used to feed, clothe, house, educate, and provide healthcare and a robust information network to all of humanity. Instead, around 2500 people are allowed to enact violence daily with their stupidity and egos.
I’ve heard and considered several real, challenging barriers to putting data centers in space, but lack of air is not among them. Yet you’ve locked onto that one reason why everyone on lemmy who expresses disapproval for the idea must be wrong dumdums who are wrong, and therefore it’s fine to just put data centers in space?
Are you not advocating for building data centers in space? But you’re frustrated by “people all over lemmy screaming that because there’s no air in space datacenters won’t work up there.”
You’re frustrated by “people all over lemmy screaming that because there’s no air in space datacenters won’t work up there.”
Yep.
Consider this: Do all the reasons for not putting a datacenter in space also apply to not putting a big ass telescope in space?
If you can justify putting up an expensive telescope into space than you can also justify sending some high performance computing up there to process the sensor data on site. If you want to call your cluster of computers a datacenter go for it.
If you think datacenters in space are a bad idea for AI and other services here on Earth well then you’d obviously be right but if you think it is because of no air yea we are back to square one ima call you a fuckwit.
Now if you believe most space exploration is a waste of money and is just used for weapons development that would be noble, but still it’s not a bad idea because there is no air in space. No one has used this argument just the air in space and expensive ones.
I am not advocating anything for I am just not letting your draconian tribalistic bullshit peer pressure into agreeing with dumbass shit spill over onto science without some pushback.
But nobody in this thread is making that argument. You’re being a total asshole and making personal attacks against other commenters, despite the fact that they don’t bear any responsibility for that argument.
Do all the reasons for not putting a datacenter in space also apply to not putting a big ass telescope in space?
If you can justify putting up an expensive telescope into space than you can also justify sending some high performance computing up there to process the sensor data on site.
What? No, they serve two totally different purposes and have significantly different requirements.
I am just not letting your draconian tribalistic bullshit peer pressure into agreeing with dumbass shit spill over onto science without some pushback.
Mine? Or “your” as in all of us on lemmy, which includes you? Again, nobody in this thread made that argument, nor defended it, nor defended any other commenters who did - and you’re still acting like a complete dick about it.
What? No, they serve two totally different purposes and have significantly different requirements.
We don’t have eyeglasses on space based telescope guy there is no human up there looking through the telescope and writing down what they are finding.
Mine? Or “your” as in all of us on lemmy, which includes you? Again, nobody in this thread made that argument, nor defended it, nor defended any other commenters who did - and you’re still acting like a complete dick about it.
Yes YOUR tribalistic bullshit. You lying dog that is what this whole thread has been about it isn’t my fault you didn’t realise you were assaulting real science with your tribalism.
nobody in this thread made that argument, nor defended it, nor defended any other commenters who did
Liar everyone in this thread made that argument including you it was the first thing you said. Apply that same logic to putting telescopes in space they aren’t exactly the most efficient cost effective forms of science shit is difficult. Your entire reasoning that it is not cost effective and is difficult is anti-science. If you weren’t being a tribalistic asshole you wouldn’t care but because the AI is against your tribe and AI also happens to need datacenters you do care. I cared long before AI fuck you.
Maybe you are under some impression that data is hoarded and not triaged. Onsite processing would be a leap in technology.
There is no air is space therefore the datacenters will not work. Uhg man these forums are like this too. The AI hate train is trying to hold back high performance computing from processing sensor data and streaming it back to earth.
Honestly if anyone here thinks this is an exclusive or even mostly republican problem you’re just dishonest. I know you can see your peers doing this and I know you are too bitch to call them out. Fuck you.
Datacenters in space are a supremely stupid idea.
I know that this makes me fit exactly with what you were describing; indeed I’m not rejecting your premise, I just think you’ve chosen a hilariously bad example to demonstrate it.
No dude there is people all over lemmy screaming that because there is no air in space datacenters won’t work up there. That is the extent of it dude, and you let it slide. These are your peers and you let them think the reason it is won’t work is because no air.
Now for high performance computing to crunch sensor data before streaming it back to earth? That is a great idea that has existed long before AI, why would you want to hinder science because of AI hate fad? Why don’t you want scientists to have computers in space? How is this not the absolute perfect example I never said datacenters are a good idea but you inserted that over what I did say which was HPC for science in space. Like bro come I’m going to need to you apologise I can’t keep losing faith in you people like this.
Air & water is what carries most of the heat away. Putting server farms that need to stay cool in space makes 0 sense. Space isn’t necessarily “cold” like people think.
Air & water are not the only things that can cool a computer down in space. We want faster more powerful computers in space to process telescope data before streaming it back to earth because the limits are bandwidth and computing we can already send big camera sensors up there. The AI hate fad is catching strays. Some of our more amazing data is from longform surveys taken from the ground where the data is stored in, you guessed it, a datacenter.
Stop moving the goal post. To process satellite images, you need way, waaaaay, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less compute than for AI datacenters. We are not arguing about image processing for a single satellite. (Which is still jot a great idea, ideally you’d want to improve throughput instead since you still want the raw images for people to work with, just faster, no?)
No, what you were talking about were data enters for AI (no, you didn’t say AI, but that’s what everyone on Lemmy says is a bad idea in space, and you were referring to everyone on Lemmy, so, we are talking about AI data enters in space).
Sorry, “data-center in space” is a stupid idea. Musk yaps about it because a) he’s an idiot and b) enough investors fell for it
If I am moving the goalposts it is because I am moving them back. Nice try you anti-science asshole.
This is what I said 15 hours ago it is unedited…
You are just pathetic. You don’t get to tell me what I am talking about so you can feel better about yourself you rot.
Can you explain how you would cool computers in space?
One way is just by making something hot. It will radiate heat energy into space without convection. But I am not here trying to design a space computer I am here to piss on internet tribalism.
Space is chock full of very hot dust. The data centers wouldn’t be capable of cooling themselves. It would be nice if we used those resources to improve things, not litter the various orbital bands of The Earth, Moon, and Solar System.
Historically investing in STEM has had tremendously positive effects for most everyone.
Historically, STEM doesn’t exist for the vast majority of that time. Historically wasting resources on pet projects of egomaniacs kills a ton of people needlessly.
You don’t know what historically means but don’t worry you can just google it. And you are inserting elon musk to assault STEM that isn’t cash money of you dude, that’s a fuck you from me buddy.
Lol. You either can’t read, or assume everyone else’s motives poorly. I didn’t specify an egomanaiacle asshole, there are plenty to pick from. I have no issue with actual STEM. As a CS graduate, I do have an issue with dead-end hallucinating parrots eating trillions of dollars of resources that could have been used to feed, clothe, house, educate, and provide healthcare and a robust information network to all of humanity. Instead, around 2500 people are allowed to enact violence daily with their stupidity and egos.
Now I would brand this as republican levels of self awareness. You know what is wrong you just said it, but then you proceed to do that exact thing.
Ad hominem. Thanks for conceding that you don’t have an argument.
Or you do something, someone does it back and you cry like a bitch. Very republican of you.
… do we a have a confidentlywrong lemmy comm yet?
It’ll be funnier when it plays out at a spacex shareholders’ meeting.
Oh god, I would need popcorn for that.
This is a strawman argument.
I’ve heard and considered several real, challenging barriers to putting data centers in space, but lack of air is not among them. Yet you’ve locked onto that one reason why everyone on lemmy who expresses disapproval for the idea must be wrong dumdums who are wrong, and therefore it’s fine to just put data centers in space?
How are you going to mention strawman argument and then go on to say
Do you want genuine engagement was this an error on your part or are you trying to troll or make a joke or something?
Are you not advocating for building data centers in space? But you’re frustrated by “people all over lemmy screaming that because there’s no air in space datacenters won’t work up there.”
Isn’t that the point of your OC?
Advocating for no.
Yep.
Consider this: Do all the reasons for not putting a datacenter in space also apply to not putting a big ass telescope in space?
If you can justify putting up an expensive telescope into space than you can also justify sending some high performance computing up there to process the sensor data on site. If you want to call your cluster of computers a datacenter go for it.
If you think datacenters in space are a bad idea for AI and other services here on Earth well then you’d obviously be right but if you think it is because of no air yea we are back to square one ima call you a fuckwit.
Now if you believe most space exploration is a waste of money and is just used for weapons development that would be noble, but still it’s not a bad idea because there is no air in space. No one has used this argument just the air in space and expensive ones.
I am not advocating anything for I am just not letting your draconian tribalistic bullshit peer pressure into agreeing with dumbass shit spill over onto science without some pushback.
But nobody in this thread is making that argument. You’re being a total asshole and making personal attacks against other commenters, despite the fact that they don’t bear any responsibility for that argument.
What? No, they serve two totally different purposes and have significantly different requirements.
Mine? Or “your” as in all of us on lemmy, which includes you? Again, nobody in this thread made that argument, nor defended it, nor defended any other commenters who did - and you’re still acting like a complete dick about it.
We don’t have eyeglasses on space based telescope guy there is no human up there looking through the telescope and writing down what they are finding.
Yes YOUR tribalistic bullshit. You lying dog that is what this whole thread has been about it isn’t my fault you didn’t realise you were assaulting real science with your tribalism.
Ah, OK, I think I’m starting to understand the problem here.
What exactly do you believe I’m lying about? What evidence do you have that I’m lying?
In what way am I assaulting science, or engaging in tribalism?
Liar everyone in this thread made that argument including you it was the first thing you said. Apply that same logic to putting telescopes in space they aren’t exactly the most efficient cost effective forms of science shit is difficult. Your entire reasoning that it is not cost effective and is difficult is anti-science. If you weren’t being a tribalistic asshole you wouldn’t care but because the AI is against your tribe and AI also happens to need datacenters you do care. I cared long before AI fuck you.
Maybe you are under some impression that data is hoarded and not triaged. Onsite processing would be a leap in technology.