Lawyers for the man accused of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk are expected to keep questioning the reliability of DNA testing used to link the defendant to the suspected murder weapon when a weeklong hearing resumes Wednesday.
A member of Tyler Robinson’s defense team interrogated a DNA analyst from the FBI on Tuesday about the techniques she used to connect Robinson to a towel wrapped around a rifle found at Utah Valley University, where Kirk was shot in September while speaking to a large crowd.
Defense lawyer Michael Burt cast doubt on the analyst’s conclusions — a theme likely to recur during the five-day preliminary hearing.
“She can’t match Mr. Robinson to the questioned samples,” Burt argued.
Deputy Utah County Attorney Ryan McBride countered that the reliability of the DNA testing could be examined if the case goes to trial. He suggested the preliminary hearing — where prosecutors have a lower burden of proof compared with a trial — was not the time to take up the matter.
“The point is there are explanations that are susceptible to different interpretations and arguments,” McBride said. “Ultimately, we’re going to have an expert hearing where all the literature is going to be before the court and the court is going to determine if it meets the threshold of reliability for admission to trial.”
Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty. State District Judge Tony Graf will decide at the conclusion of this week’s hearing if they have enough evidence to bring Robinson to trial on an aggravated murder charge.
Robinson has not yet entered a plea and his attorneys have not commented on his guilt or innocence. They have, however, sought to get the death penalty taken off the table, so far unsuccessfully.
Prosecutors must show they have enough evidence for a trial
FBI analyst Amanda Bakker said after Robinson’s roommate, Lance Twiggs, provided a DNA sample for comparison, she was able to rerun her tests and attribute all of the DNA to two people.
Investigators found the towel and suspected murder weapon — a bolt-action rifle with one spent round — in a wooded area near where Kirk was shot.
Wait, so the DNA found near the rifle they found in the woods was inconclusive until they added someone else’s DNA, and there were previously rumors that the rifle they found in the woods was not a match for the ballistic evidence recovered from the scene?
I’m not saying one way or another about the defendant, but the FBI and state are fucking the dog on this investigation.
It’s almost like all that bootlicking charlie spent his life on translated to them still not caring about him any more than the average joe.
It’s because they’re all grifters in it for themselves. Even Erica Kirk doesn’t give a shit about it and hopped on to do a national tour to fundraise off his death immediately after it happened.
What do you mean?
No detail will remain undiscovered under the watchful gaze of Director Patel!
Here he is, cracking another case wide open!
I’m sure he’ll get to the bottom of this one as well.
(I’m sorry but I just imagine the uh, frantic close in pan from like Kill Bill, with the warning siren-esque sound effect… goddamnit, you don’t even need to be clever to make fun of this corrupt doofus)
his eyes sees the past and the present.
Kash staring at a bottle
“Not today, Satan… not… welll…”
The government is trying to put an innocent person away for no reason. Sometimes, necks just do that.
Seriously. And Charlie already accepted the fact that some people would have to die as a result of us having the right to bear firearms. He accepted that fact. I don’t think he’d even want a trial.
Charlie Kirk died for what he believes in.
for no reason
No no, there is a reason - gotta set an example for the rest of the plebeians somehow
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This has never made sense to me:
The picture they showed off of the ‘rifle recovered in the woods’ is… fully assembled, and in a cardboard box.
But they also reported that the weapon was wrapped up in a towel or cloth or something.
But but … the government story is that Robinson had a half dissambled rifle partially in his backpack, partially in his pant leg… he walks it to the roof with an odd walking cadence, assembles it, fires it, disassembles it, jumps off the roof, flees the scene…
Why the fuck would you then reassemble the weapon?
Where did this cardboard box come from?
And yes, the bullet this weapon fires cannot be the bullet that made the injuries Kirk sustained.
The shooting position that Robinson was supposedly at? That weapon? That range?
Its a 30-06. A straight on shot from the front, from that range, to Kirk’s lower neck/upper shoulder area, would have blown a chunk of flesh roughly the size of an orange out of Kirk. The bullet would have kept travelling through Kirk, and potentially injured people standing behind him, it would have made an impact mark on the building/ground behind him. There would have been blood and viscera from Kirk thrown behind him, creating a splatter pattern.
Instead, we get Kirk having the neck geyser in the front, no visible exit wound or blood on the back of his neck.
Instead, we get a statement from a doctor saying that his shoulder/clavicle bones caught the bullet, and that that is a miracle and Kirk has superhuman bone density, that this superhuman bone density saved other people from the scenario I described above.
https://thedailydots.substack.com/p/the-bullet-that-stopped-medical-science
This is… how do you say … horseshit.
… Kirk does not / did not have superhuman bone density… that bullet / fragments recovered inside of in him is not a 30-06, or even fragments of a 30-06.
Now I don’t know who the fuck actually did shoot Kirk, but it wasn’t Robinson, even if he had been there, with that 30-06 firearm, at that time, from that shooting position.
Robinson is almost certainly fucked in that he does seem to have been there, with the intention to take the shot, with a 30-06. But he cannot have been the one that pulled the trigger that fired the bullet that ended Kirk.
I can say though, that a 5.56 fired from Kirk’s right, above him, that entered into his head/neck roughly under his right ear, that then wormed its way through/around the bulk of his neck vertebrae, that as it is slowing down, severs the left carotid internally, that then comes to a stop in his left shoulder/clavicle bones…
Well that does match with everything about the scene and the videos/photos of Kirk’s death.
Regarding the type of round and placement of the shot, some guntubers were saying that he normally wore a titanium plate type body armor that has an angle at the top to fit the chest area. Their speculation was that the angle of the plate is what deflected the shot up into his neck.
I mean I’ve not… seen or watched every guntuber, but uh, no, that theory is wrong.
You could see his nipples through his shirt.
He was not wearing plate armor.
If he was wearing magic flexi titanium armor under that shirt… well then the bullet would have had some kind of destructive effect on the shirt, where it would have bounced/richochet’d from.
It did not.
If he was wearing armor, and took a round to the upper chest, that ricocheted into his neck… he would have bruising at that part of his chest, potentially fractured ribs. Actually, definitely fractured ribs, for a 30-06.
By all information I’ve been able to find, nope, none of that was ever indicated either.
Also, if a 30-06 hit him in the chest, with him seated, and that plate fully bounced the round (into his neck, or anywhere else)?
He’d have been noticably kicked backward.
At 150 yards, a 30-06 will be travelling ~2400 ft/s.
A 150 - 180 grain round… ~1900 to ~2300 foot-pounds of force.
For a (perfectly armored) person standing upright, on concrete (friction coefficient of 0.5) that would kick you backward something like several inches to a foot.
It would be roughly comparable to taking a well executed mma/karate front kick, to the chest.
For a (perfectly armored) person sitting down, in a 4 legged chair? Who then immediately goes limp?
He’d likely have been hit with enough force that him and the chair would topple over backward or to the side… not the in place tensing and then slumping that was seen.
You could posit ceramic plates, that dissipate some of the energy by breaking, but then we just circle back to ‘you would have been very obviously able to see he was wearing that, and not able to see his nipples’.
I saw a headline somewhere about candance rambling about an exploding microphone, is that real and does that make any sense?
In short, no, Candace is… mostly a crazy person who interprets dreams and the first thing that pops into her head as… God talking to her, or ‘showing’ her things.
So, the microphone thing is confusing, but thats mostly because … its small, and most video that captured it moving wasn’t high resolution.
Kirk was not shot by his own microphone. If he had been, there’d be burn marks and/or gunpowder or explosive residue on his shirt, where the lapel mic was, from it exploding/firing.
No such burn marks or residue exists, in any video or picture or report I’ve seen or read.
Also… yeah, it was daylight, and yeah, that ‘theory’ is that it could have been basically a very small caliber… but… you probably still would have been able to see a small, slight flash, from either a small bomb going off on his chest, or a tiny ‘gun’ firing… he was in relative shade, compared to most other people/things in most of the videos/pictures I’ve seen.
And nothing like that is even hinted at, in anything I’ve seen.
And no, Kirk was not wearing body armor. He was wearing a fairly light fabric, white Tshirt. You could see him nipping through it, in some pictures/video from the day. You cannot see nipple impressions through kevlar or plate armor.
He was though, actually wearing a lapel microphone, likely one that attaches to his shirt via a magnetic clip… the exterior lapel mic has another basically just magnet it snaps to, that goes on the inside of your shirt.
Here is a comparison shot, Kirk’s last day on the left, same or similar lapel mic on another day, another public speaking event:
Why did the mic go flying, when he got shot?
Well, here’s my ‘theory’:
Because he got shot, and that shot basically instantly severed his spinal cord. He was likely 90% brain dead before the blood geyser even erupted.
His entire body thus … basically had something comparable to a seizure, a significant, global convulsion…
His eyes go wide, he ‘tenses up’, into a sort of stereotypical ‘frightened’ or ‘startled’ pose…
… and then neuroelectric flatline, slumping, everything relaxes, every muscle group slowly lets go.
That sudden jerking or convulsion motion, resulting from his spinal cord being severed, is what I think caused the mic to move so abruptly.
Same as if you had been wearing a mic like that, affixed by an opposed, fairly weak magnet… and then suddenly spasmed with your entire body, with significant muscular force… or, maybe like going from a lazy standing stance to instantly switching to a perfect military ready ‘Attention!’ pose, something like that.
Why does the other side of his shirt, his left side, seem to ‘pinch’ and expand?
Well, If the lapel mic had a wire internally, inside his shirt, going to a spot at his waist, his belt line, where you could plug it into a walky-talky type device, so that it could then be patched into the PA system, in the event the primary microphone died…
If that wire was on the inside of his shirt, and that wire was taped to other parts of the inside of shirt, or maybe just to his body… the body tenses, the label mic gets disconnected from its internal base, thats like a system of ropes and hooks and pulleys where you just cut the load off of one part of it, and now the system rebalances, with the ‘rope’ snapping around a bit.
The wire, analagously the ‘rope’, whips around in such a way that we get a few frames where the cumulative effect of all the physics at play here, causes the ‘pinching’ expansion of the shirt, momentarily.
What’s even more interesting is that the next fucking day, the school decides to recement and repave that area. Like… It’s a murder scene. Couldn’t you wait a couple of days? What are you trying to hide/cover up!!!
What? Is that even legal?
Like it was hella shady too. It was way too many people doing it and it was done so quickly and they were gone like that. How did the school get contractors that short notice?
It was sorta like it was part of the plan to begin with
But how is that not cordoned off and shit? That’s extremely weird.
DNA evidence from Kirk assassination disputed
My brain: That wasn’t Kirk? Oh shit. Better go get him, then.
You’re awful
Jesus fucking christ.
Ask for mob law, get mob law.
I’m not saying I wished him dead. I will say there’s thousands of less deserving people then him that I’ll give a shit about first. Kirk’s fans are the same types that jeered over Renée Good’s death. Tolerance is a two way street.
Tolerance is a two way street.
If both sides of the equation felt that way, the world would be a better place.
The right gets very upset when the left refuses to be tolerant, while they scream bloody murder at every step where they could be so.
It’s really hard feeling sympathy with a bully who genuinely wished violence on others.
No no I wasn’t saying against you, I was just shaking my head at the thing in general.
A lot of people here and on reddit (and the left generally) were wishing him death and celebrating. What Charlie said and stood for I don’t agree with and a lot of it was awful - that doesn’t mean celebrating him being killed is a good thing. It’s awful. The types celebrating it can get fucked - nobody will ever join their side when they celebrate with awful ghoulish glee when someone who didn’t agree with them is murdered in cold blood
idk, the irony of a gun violence advocate dying because of gun violence is pretty funny, if the official story is true. If it way an attempt at making a martyr by the Trump admin, it’s still funny how much of a nothingburger it was. And honestly, I don’t really care if I met your approval. At this point, everyone’s picked their side or is willfully ignorant.
Thank god for the incompetence of these fascists. Twenty years from now we’re gonna be like, “remember when they had a fucking clown to lead them? Anyway, I have to go get my forehead scanned now.”
Sure, all that, I’m also not going to pretend I’m sad about it.
Charlie Kirk was a fucking monster.
Cmon bruh everybody with at least two braincells knows Bibi had Trumpi explode the manchild’s throat
I thought he died from a fentanyl overdose?
Robinson’s lawyers said they were concerned about his right to a fair trial if Twiggs’ statements were played in open court and then broadcast by media outlets. They said prosecutors would attempt to portray Twiggs’ statements about what Robinson allegedly told him as a confession from Robinson, which could bias potential jurors.
That’s interesting. The roommate/lover talked to the police and implicated him?
Twiggs was interviewed twice as part of the investigation, State Bureau of Investigation Agent Brian Davis testified Wednesday. He was given immunity for the statements, meaning what Twiggs said cannot be used against him in a potential criminal case, Davis said.
He got immunity for his statements to police?
DNA on the towel matched to two people, Jennifer Faumuina with the State Bureau of Investigation testified. One was Twiggs and the other was very likely Robinson, she said.
Wait. The second person was very likely Robinson but the roommates DNA was definitely matched?
Prosecutors allege Robinson confessed in a note left for Twiggs that read: “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.”
Is it just me or does this sound like it could be a frame. Let’s say Twiggs was the one who shot Kirk. Or maybe, Twiggs just hears about the shooting and wants to frame Robinson for it for some reason. He grabs a rifle and towel from the apartment that he’s pretty sure will have Robinson’s DNA on it. He then goes home and writes a note confessing the crime and signs his lover’s name to it. He also tells the police that Robinson confessed to him in exchange for immunity, just in case. Finally, when the investigators can’t match Robinson’s DNA to the towel, Twigg offers his own DNA so they can prove the towel came from their apartment.
I’m not a lawyer, but this sounds like the defense could muddy this up enough to get Robinson off. I’m sure an actual lawyer will step in to point out where I’m wrong.
It wasn’t him, Tyler Robinson was with me that weekend…playing call of duty and drinking PBRs. ;-)
That is clearly not true as Robinson is a man of taste and wouldn’t even piss in a bucket of PBR
No, but he might piss a bucket of PBR…
Hey if you say he liked it, you were there, I wasn’t. Clearly he’s innocent.
Despite the fact that Trump’s FBI amd DOJ may fuck this case royally, I am comfortable in knowing this is Joe Biden’s fault.
Does anyone else find it unsettling that he seems completely unperturbed in every court appearance? Like even Luigi showed a little bit of distress. I get psychopath vibes from this guy.
He’s had plenty of time to think about it. I’m sure I’d be bored of the process by now whether I was guilty or not. 6 months is a long time to do nothing but think about this one thing.
Luigi broke his neck and has crippling pain so maybe thats why he always looks distressed.
Lol this entire case
