What double standards?
When someone uses a rifle to kill people who were on their way to the voting booth for independence and reattachment and in retaliation you bring in a tank, you’re doing self-defense.
When someone throws a rock at you because they’re being oppressed by you as you’re occupying their land and you bring in a tank, you’re doing terrorism.Nothing wrong with this picture.
Other than the other side needs text also.Goaded (by the US) ↔ Self-defense
Resistance (against oppression) ↔ (State) TerrorismWhat am I missing about the comments here? It’s a satirical cartoon, so it’s not meant to be taken as these labels are what the author would apply to each group.
I read it as highlighting the hypocrisy of how Ukraine fighting Russia is self defence but Palestine fighting Israel is seen as terrorism.
Is this a controversial take?
Is this a controversial take?
In some countries like the UK and Germany not only is this a controversial take, it is an illegal take
Right, I assumed it was also referencing this.
That is the correct reading of it, yes. But I think at least most of the comments so far recognize this? And most of them so far seem to be in agreement with the artist of the cartoon that it is an absurd double standard, the only one that seems to be an obvious exception is the one who was shocked that it was getting upvotes. But I may be seeing a different set of comments than what you are because of how federation works, so like I am blissfully unaware of comments made by .world users for example.
Unironically, one possible point of confusion may be the label of “TV” which is a little old school, where a more general “media” or something might work better this day and age.
They didn’t see the “TV” in the pic lol
You’ve got it. Ukraine is a little less black and white than Israel Palestine, so you’ll see some comments that are anti Ukraine.
It’s similarly black and white (although the scale of genocide that is happening to Palestinians is on a completely different level of course) if one understands history. Ukraine is full of Nazis. Russia is killing them. Is Russia a good country? No, definitely not and they should be condemned for all the bad shit they do. But everyone should be in favor of Nazis getting murked. And then we’ll get folks like “well Ukraine isn’t Nazis” to which I respond “then why do they all have Nazi patches.” And then one would respond “those are historical patches.” To which I would reply “from what history.” Then we always hear “well when they were fighting the communists.” The obvious question is “on whose side?” And that’s where folks get angry because they just walked into proving that Ukraine is historically full of Nazis, and thats why they continue to wear Nazi patches. Ukraine could choose to distance themselves from their Nazi history but they don’t. The only explanation for not distancing yourself from your Nazi history and instead leaning into it is because you’re a Nazi.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me, but I’m not a Nazi so that makes me pretty
biasedbasedOh, so Russia should just exterminate the entire population and take that entire landmass. You’ve painted the entire country with the same broad brush and they obviously deserve it. The hundreds of thousands of people dying on both sides with surly root out the Nazi scurge and not legitimize them as a defensive force. /s in case it wasn’t mega clear.
You’re correct, there are some Nazis in Ukraine and it’s certainly close to Nato and a possible threat on Russia’s border. It’s complicated. An irridentist invasion and war is not based actually, for everyone involved.
Russia has never said they plan on genocide, nor have they said they plan on taking the entirety of Ukraine. So you’re just making things up.
It’s hyperbolic. What are you willing to accept in the name of “killing Nazis”?
What are you willing to accept in the name of defending Nazis?
Assuming every Ukrainian is a Nazi, and every Russian isn’t (which is obviously extreme on both ends, but let’s simplify and take a maximalist position favoring you.)
There’s a lot of estimates out there, but taking rough middle estimates, 500k Ukrainian forces have been killed, and 1,250k Russian forces. So you think it is good, logical even, to melt 2.5 non Nazis in favor of killing one? Would you sacrifice your life and a friend or family member to kill one Ukrainian Nazi?
“Uh well okay they actually don’t want what I said they want bUT STILL”
Oh, so Russia should just exterminate the entire population and take that entire landmass
Why do you keep pretending that that is what has been happening?
An irridentist invasion and war is not based actually, for everyone involved.
What should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world gathers personnel and weapons on that state’s borders, especially after said most prolific invader completes a coup against a neighbouring neutral state?
So, become the invader? Start the war? That seems to be what you think should happen right?
Firstly, if you cannot suggest a serious alternative, you do not have an argument against the actions of such a state in this regard.
Secondly, the most prolific invader in the world attempting to attack a country is what starts a war, rather than the retaliation and preventative measures of the other state.
Thirdly, it is public knowledge that NATO was trying to start a war with Russia, but miscalculated.
My serious alternative is defend against invasion, don’t invade other countries. Pre-empting invasion with your own invasion is some Israel in 1969 logic
Oh, so Russia should just exterminate the entire population and take that entire landmass.
When you’re a very serious person with a well- grounded understanding of what other governments want and how wars work.
Who could forget world War 2, when the entire population of Germany was destroyed?
It’s hyperbole.
And famously the Nazis were just chilling out in Germany and they got invaded by another country.
If it’s hyperbole it sounds exactly like what 5 thousand dipshits have told me sincerely
And famously the Nazis were just chilling out in Germany and they got invaded by another country.
Actually they were doing ethnic cleansing, like the Ukranian government was.
They’re both self-defense
fake, no fascist symbol on the ukranian uniform
Would actually be a fun take to add fascist symbols to Ukraine+Russia+Israel there
History is full of groups that were called terrorists before they were called governments. Whoever decides what is an act of war and what is an act of terrorism decides the rules of the game
the illustration is a bit of an oversimplification, but I think a redeemable takeaway is that the rhetoric changes depending on which side (western) capital is supporting.
Those are…very limp barrels
(Overall message agreed ofc)
Funny that someone felt the need to put flags on this
That’s only the most superficial level everyone should agree with on principle if they have eyes and ears.
Now let’s see who/what is backing these groups, lol.
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Historic abuse is when a country that lost many millions of people to the nazis…doesn’t tolerate ethnic cleansing by nazis?
I think the historic abuse here is your abuse of the word historic
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How come it takes so little prompting for you guys to turn into weird fascist freaks with zero history knowledge and a hardon for dead Russian people?
Neither group is classified as terrorists
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the opposite is pretty much true
What
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It is pretty ridiculous to paint Ukraine as being at a similar disadvantage against Russia as Palestine is against the entity since unlike the Palestinians, the nazi Ukrainians also have tanks and are backed by the combined economic efforts and technology of virtually all western governments, whereas those same western governments virtually all back the entity against Palestinians. So the above is a rather significant false parity.
I’m sure that’s what you mean by this being “bullshit” … right?
Oh you don’t agree? Tell us more!
What do you disagree with here?
Maybe they think the bottom picture is unironic (although more often than not this kind of visceral reaction paired with a potentially insulting insinuation about Ukraine means they’re a Ukraine supporter)
Can’t disagree on that, that Ukrops are terrorist.
I mean, the funny thing is that the UON-B (The Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists – Bandera faction) has unequivocally been operating as a stateless paramilitary seeking political reform through violence. Not unlike the Houthi Rebel movement or Hamas, after the IDF killed all their civilian bureaucrats and political functionaries.
But because the term carries “brown person acting badly” connotation, people reflectively reject the idea that a white person can earn the title.
People do seem to get upset when you remind them about all the Christian terrorists that set fire (or similar) to abortion clinics.
