Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]

What do you disagree with here?

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This isn’t bragging, because imo, what ICE does and what the Chinese military does with ethnic clensing is pretty 1-1.

It’s quite silly how you believe Zenz’ every word about your empire’s designated enemies and expect to be taken seriously.

It’s pretty obvious at this point that all of the accusations of the PRC conducting ethnic cleansings have no basis in reality, so this already disqualifies their military’s actions from being equatable with ICE’.

I am going to accuse everybody who doesn’t believe my empire’s propaganda of being on the empire’s designated enemies’ payroll!

Wait, why are they mean to me?

I point out who’s better on an issue today, you find a different issue to complain about, or dig into the historical record when there wasn’t yet differentiation on a question

You claimed that one of the parties is better on LGBT rights. I pointed out that the blue fascists only pay lip service to it, and that relevant rights were won by other people. Decidedly not by voting.
You claimed that one of the parties is better on economic policy. I pointed out that the economic policies of both are geared towards subjugation, torture and killing of the rest of the world, as well as its own domestic working class.
You claimed that one of the parties gave you better healthcare when all you’ve been fed are scraps. At best, this is a ‘bad cop - good cop’ routine. Also, remind me, which administration cancelled the RvW?
You claimed that the party that built the war crime pier, has been enthusiastically supporting the escalation of the genocide with weapon supplies, defunded UNRWA to contribute to the genocide escalation, cracked down on protestors against the genocide, etc. is somehow not a steadfast supporter of Pissrael.

Your point about Pissrael is especially silly, I’ve got to add.

As a Cuban whether he’s worse off under Obama or Trump.

Ask a Libyan if they are better off after Obama turned their country into an open-air slave market.
Ask a person in Afghanistan if they were worse off while Obama was bombing their hospitals.

Ask a woman trying to get an abortion in Florida.

Oh, hey, let’s actually do that. Let’s also ask which administration repealed the RvW precedent, despite the presidents of the relevant party explicitly promising to enshrine it in the USian constitution for decades.

Ask the Israel lobby if they’re nervous about MI and KS still.

Oh? Were they nervous about Biden that was sending them military supplies to conduct a genocide and that built the war crime pier for them?

I’m not saying that one can vote in revolutionary change, but voting absolutely matters

Voting in the US has produced approximately zero good results over its history.

That’s why they try to restrict it. That’s why ungodly piles of cash get burned to influence it. That’s why removed copy your rhetoric.

‘They’ have been convincing you all this time that voting matters.
If you actually think that it matters, then why are you unable to point to the good results?

EDIT: Also, this:
https://mander.xyz/post/55288596?scrollToComments=true

some peoples livelihoods

The vast majority.

I’m sure the Uighurs aren’t feeling the benefit.

Ah. I have Saddam’s WMD to sell you.
You uncritically believe your empire’s propaganda, even after years of failing to produce evidence for its accusations.

Other people are not obligated to believe Zenz on his word the way you do.

And what empire are we talking here? 😅

The one you are spreading propaganda for, the most prolific invader in the world - NATO.

Should anyone rule for 15 years?

Why not? What’s the difference?

Objectively speaking, in your personal utopian vision for a perfect government, checks, balances, etc and so forth?

Have these ‘checks and balances’ been helpful in reining in the most malicious polity in the world? Or have they only served to preserve the status quo?

It’s pretty great in terms of improving its people’s livelihoods and not invading anybody. Unlike your empire.

I mean, what’s a social issue you might care about? Trans rights? Sure, let’s go with that. Which party issued guidance for including gender identity under Title IX protections? And which party is in charge in the states with bathroom bills?

Which party did Stonewall and other such things - the actual things that improved LGBT rights, rather than politicians doing lip service after the fact?
Both parties are similarly awful in this regard.

What about economic and industrial policy?

Both parties want to use the economy to subjugate, torture, and kill people outside of NATO. That includes me, as well as a bunch of other people from this site, by the way.
Both parties are also interested in keeping your domestic working class in awful conditions.
So, for the vast majority of humanity, there is no difference here.

Which party’s NLRB overruled Specialty Healthcare, and which one restored it?

Notably, neither party has given you good healthcare despite their ability to.

Which party is cracking around the question of enternal military support for Israel, and which party still steadfastly supports them?

Both parties support Pissrael. Stop memory holing the recent Dem administration’s full support for the genocide after its escalation (remember, the genocide started about a century ago at least), even doing things like the war crime pier.
Not even sure why you even think that the blue fascists have been in any way reconsidering support for their asset. This is, frankly, just your fan fiction.

Decorum my ass

You haven’t pointed to any differences between the parties other than that.

Build anything, literally anything, that’s nearly as effective as a fucking vote and I’ll spare you a thought

That’s a very low bar. Lying in bed and reading - especially educational stuff - would be more effective than voting in the US.

It doesn’t educate workers about about what to do, and it’s actually fucking incorrect

If it was as incorrect as you claim it to be, you would have been able to show results. And yet, it’s just a couple of centuries of failures, colonialism, and genocides.

Ah yes I see absolutely no difference between these two puppets. I have seen absolutely no difference between the leadership and policies of these two organizations. None whatsoever.

You are saying this as if there is a difference between them other than decorum.

Ah yes, the hyper capitalist, right wing, oligarchy of Russia is such a wonderful alternative to liberalism

Firstly, you quite literally support NATO (including Ukraine), which the description of ‘hyper capitalist, right wing, oligarchy’ fits even more (you can even just look at Ukraine - the epitome of what you decry in Russia).

They are both horrible garbage. Have fun being a campist.

You quite literally are a campist yourself, and you support an even worse USian vassal in Ukraine.

Generally, accusations of ‘campism’ are just revealing of a person’s white supremacist views, as the accusations are invariably flung only whenever somebody opposes colonialism.

Because their comment was in a whataboutism in defense of of propaganda

You don’t get to complain about propaganda while invoking ‘whataboutism’ (i.e. calling out your hypocrisy) - a very obvious sign of you being heavily propagandised.

If you accept state propaganda just because it is not “western” flavor

Weirdly enough, you don’t make such protestations against your empire’s propaganda.

Enjoy your hard right wing, capitalist, oligarchical slop

Quick question - do you support NATO (including Ukraine) in the war in Ukraine?

My whataboutismeter is overloading, stop.

People who genuinely believe that invoking the word ‘whataboutism’ is a serious argument, or that what they call ‘whataboutism’ (i.e. pointing out hypocrisy) is a fallacy are silly.

While you’re here, I’d like to ask you a couple of questions:

1. What do you propose a state do when the most prolific invader in the world tries to amass military personnel and weapons on its border, especially by doing a coup against a neighbouring state.

2. What criticism of Russia do you have that doesn’t apply to the polities that you support?

Weird how you never propose to ban NATO’s news platforms. Only the platforms of your empire’s designated enemies.

You are proving my point - you can’t actually say anything bad about him (without exposing your hipocrisy), and you can’t provide an alternative course of action for Russia. You only say that you can.

I invite you to prove me wrong.

Go talk to some people living in moscow if you feel so strongly

What should I ask them? And why specifically Moscow and not, say, Crimea, or the Far East?

It’s kind of silly how you people keep complaining about Putin while not being to say anything bad about him (other than what applies to the polities you support).

On that note, I do wonder what you think a state should do when the most prolific invader brings weapons to its borders to attack it, especially when accompanied by attempting coups against its neighbours.

I care less that he did those warcrimes, and more so that he atones for them and does positive things

He has done nothing to atone for them, however. What are you even talking about?

Contrary to what you are implying, one does not accidentally build a mortar, fire it at civilians, and then speak on forums about how awesome of an experience that was.
One also does not accidentally sign up multiple times to go torture and kill people in Iraq and Afghanistan.