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Its completely unnatural to be a cop…
What blows me away is that this tweet was written in 2017.
Why? Are you implying there was a time when cops were good guys?
Actually hard to explain to kids
Kids have a simplistic worldview. “They catch bad guys” is probably enough.
The truth of course is pretty different… But I don’t think they have the context needed to understand that.
But then again if you just say that then you won’t have a kid this cool:
It’s simple enough unless you have brown skin. Then unfortunately you need to have a deeper conversation from a much younger age.
Or even if your kid is white but goes to school with black kids. I don’t want him living in a different reality than them. He’s going to have to know cops aren’t always good, and we’ve started explaining already. He’s 3 and they have already sent copaganda coloring books home, really alarming shit.
I have been toying with the idea of writing a children’s book about this, and one about comparative religion for toddlers (your grandmother’s Jesus stories are just stories, kiddo) but publishing children’s books is hard even if they’re not controversial, so, no that won’t be happening.
publishing children’s books is hard even if they’re not controversial, so, no that won’t be happening.
The absolute glut of ai slop books on Amazon would seem to indicate otherwise
He’s 3 and they have already sent copaganda coloring books home, really alarming shit.
What were they about
Teaching kids words like “suspect” and “officer” and “stun device” (not kidding). Meant to teach kids that cops are friendly.
His mom looked it up, and the cop who “wrote” the book has been charged with spousal rape, so, yeah.
I’ve been having more nuanced discussions with my white kid since he’s been asking too (8 yo) It’s important for everyone to know.
Then again my dad taught me the same, he got tear gassed protesting Vietnam and was harassed for having long hair in the 70s.
I mean, we don’t want to lie to kids.
True. I don’t have kids. What’s the best way?
I mean in an emergency not caused by the police, they’re probably who you want kids to turn to.
In other situations not so much.
They are here to enforce the rules.
When they grow up, you can explain how rules are made to fuck the poor.
“So there’s this political concept called ‘a monopoly on violence’…”
There are bad people in the world these brave men and women are here to protect you from the bad men and women.
Seems pretty simple to me.
All cops are bad people?
Yes
Ohh no people enforcing the rules of society as decided by democracy.
as decided by democracy
Well I don’t remember voting for our boys in blue!
U votes for a representative who selected them. U can vote for any representative or even run urself. That’s how representative democracy works.
The rules decided on by rich cishet white men to primarily benefit other rich cishet white men? Get bent.
So u don’t like democracy what do u want instead? A king? A fascist dictatorship? Please enlighten me as to what we should have instead of democracy.
Unfortunately, the rules aren’t very good, and unfortunately they dont even abide by the rules that are good.
The rules are decided by democracy take it up with society or go find a king to rally behind. And we have the court system to ensure that cops who don’t follow the rules are held accountable.
And we have the court system to ensure that cops who don’t follow the rules are held accountable.
And you think that’s what happens?
Yeah if u want a recent example go check out what’s been happening in afromans life
Cops are human, and like all humans they can make mistakes and have flaws just like us. Yes their jobs is to protect us but its OK to ask questions.
Hahaha…the Supreme Court has gone on the record, police are not expected to protect.
Yes their jobs is to protect us
actually the Supreme Court specifically said it isn’t, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about
You’re also conflating a group of individuals with the system that they choose to join. Individual cops are human, sure, but The Police are not, and they hold special legal privileges that make each and every one a danger to humans everywhere they patrol. And since joining The Police is a choice, individual cops may be judged accordingly for willingly becoming part of that system.
Ok so all police are bad, even if there are good hearted individuals that try to make a difference in a community, just because they joined a police force. I find that logic silly and extremely rigid, but fine. What exactly is your alternative? What should be happening instead? Maintaining a basic rule of law and society is kind of important, and as fucked up police forces are they’re fulfilling some of the tasks. The problem is more about how to have accountability in police forces, not just wholesale disenfranchisement. Divisive dismissing of any race, group, organization or entity isn’t helpful and is ignorant. It makes the problems worst, not better. You become what you loathe.
Ok so all police are bad, even if there are good hearted individuals that try to make a difference in a community, just because they joined a police force
Again, it’s not about individual cops, it’s about The Police. The Police have legal structures that protect them from the consequences of abusing citizens. So your average citizen is absolutely completely justified in treating every cop like they are bad, because they might be, and there is no way to know the difference, and the judicial system is on their side. If cops don’t want to be treated like villains, they should be loudly and frequently advocating for changes to the system of The Police. If they can’t even do that, how are you supposed to tell them from a bad cop who wants to hurt you?
What should be happening instead? Maintaining a basic rule of law and society is kind of important
I agree, in fact I think there should be more rules, like ones that protect the rights of citizens from government overreach and police brutality.
Divisive dismissing of any race, group, organization or entity isn’t helpful and is ignorant
Sorry but you’re the one being silly. Again, cops choose to join the police, and it is completely incomparable to race. You are a fool.
It makes the problems worst, not better
Actually I think people advocating for better policing instead of just deepthroating “cops good” makes the problem better.
You become what you loathe.
“No u” wow so intelligent, you should write a book.
The solution is simple, if you want people to respect police, the police need to become respectable. As it stands they can abuse you with near impunity, so they get fear and disdain.
Why are you more concerned with the fear and disdain rather than the abuse?
Actually I think people advocating for better policing instead of just deepthroating “cops good” makes the problem better.
Where did I ‘deep throat cops good’? You are sensitive and over reacting to a simple utterance and appreciation that cops are both good and bad. All people, all things, are some mix of good and bad and various ratios.
The solution is simple, if you want people to respect police, the police need to become respectable. As it stands they can abuse you with near impunity, so they get fear and disdain.
This is the only thing you’ve said I’ve agreed with, but what exactly are you going to do about it? You ask why am I more concerned with the the fear and disdain; because it causes apathy. Apathy breeds indifference and/or hopelessness which doesn’t solve any problems but propagates it. You appear firmly in the apathetic camp, its whats wrong with this country and politics in general. I’m not pretending I have the solution but the first step to moving in any direction is appreciating the subtly of everything and stop pretending its all so simple as black and white.
Internet users when someone has an opinion:
[X] doubt
The world is not black and white, painting a black picture of a whole group, without middle ground, is ignorant and unhelpful. This is coming frame a raging liberal. Be rationale, intelligent, not reactive.
BIPOC, when seeing a cop, do not stop and think “Well I wonder if this is a good one or a bad one.” They just make a split second recognition and go with it - for their own safety. To them, cops are dangerous. So to me, cops are dangerous. If cops don’t want that reputation, well they need to make some big changes.
Asking the civilised people here:
When do you think USAmericans will realise that there is a world outside their country?
Billionaires are also all black with no white in them.
Cops protect them, not us.
No one hears you when you shout in your own echo chamber.
No U
Ooooh, a raging liberal!
Sir this is lemmy, you are contradicting the tankie hivemind/narrative
Tankies, the group famously opposed to state monopoly on violence, of course.
But those
copspeople’s safekeepers are good!!11!I’m very interested in knowing what you think tankies are.
Exactly, this is Lemmy. A decentralised platform with many varying viewpoints from tankies, to fascists, to anarchists, to the apolitical, and everything else. There is no hivemind.
I would have thought somebody from one of the more niche servers, which has a focus on science and being apolitical, would understand that. But I guess not.
