I am not “attacking” cis women at all, I am attacking ideas about what biology means in relation to womanhood.
I never claimed dna being passed down was TERF, I used that word in response to your bioessentialiasm and socialisation language when I responded to your comment.
To this users comment I was talking about what motherhood is, and that is not defined by one’s mitochondrial DNA. Mothers and the people who birth us can be completely seperate things, to see the world as everyone’s mother is the person who birthed them strips motherhood from those who did not. It’s something to be mindful of in how we view things.
I’m removing myself from this conversation now, I’ve said my views on these topics and I feel this is starting to get heated.
I am not attacking cis women at all, I am attacking ideas about what biology means in relation to womanhood.
Responding to a study about how cis women’s brains are changed during pregnancy by accusing me of pushing TERF ideas sure feels like an attack on cis women.
I’m not equating any of this as definitions of what a woman is. And again, I openly resent you trying to paint me as a TERF here.
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I’m removing myself from this conversation now, I’ve said my views on these topics and I feel this is starting to get heated.
Yeah, accusing others of pushing TERF ideas with absolutely no basis will get people pretty heated.
I apologise, I wasn’t trying to call you a TERF, and I don’t believe you are one.
I was trying to show where I see that language coming from, it’s something my entire existence depends on pushing back against and challenging these views in relation to womanhood and even motherhood.
Reading along I’m seeing multiple opportunities you had to acknowledge your definition of “mother” was dismissive of all the mothers who didn’t give birth to their children, and also doesn’t acknowledge the other-than-mother status of, among others, people who gave birth but are raising the child as their father. And instead you kept trying to say the other person is wrong to call you a TERF. Seems to me if you aren’t in that pool, you are skating on very thin ice over it. I’m quite an old cis woman who bore and raised 2 kids, and it’s not hard for me to figure out what a “mother” is and may be, I suggest you try.
I wasn’t intending to exclude anyone by talking about a specific process that happens during pregnancy. Nor was the intent to exclude anyone by acknowledging the passing of dna. Talking about one type of mother doesn’t mean that other types of mothers don’t exist or arent just as worthy of parenthood as the other.
Thank you for taking the time to explain what was upsetting to others. I genuinely could not place what the reason was and even when asking, was not receiving a clear explanation.
You’re attacking allies and very real biological truths of the cis women in here.
Scientific facts, like how mitochondrial DNA is passed from cis women to their offspring, are not TERF ideas that need to be challenged.
I am not “attacking” cis women at all, I am attacking ideas about what biology means in relation to womanhood.
I never claimed dna being passed down was TERF, I used that word in response to your bioessentialiasm and socialisation language when I responded to your comment.
To this users comment I was talking about what motherhood is, and that is not defined by one’s mitochondrial DNA. Mothers and the people who birth us can be completely seperate things, to see the world as everyone’s mother is the person who birthed them strips motherhood from those who did not. It’s something to be mindful of in how we view things.
I’m removing myself from this conversation now, I’ve said my views on these topics and I feel this is starting to get heated.
Responding to a study about how cis women’s brains are changed during pregnancy by accusing me of pushing TERF ideas sure feels like an attack on cis women.
I’m not equating any of this as definitions of what a woman is. And again, I openly resent you trying to paint me as a TERF here.
Edit:
Yeah, accusing others of pushing TERF ideas with absolutely no basis will get people pretty heated.
I apologise, I wasn’t trying to call you a TERF, and I don’t believe you are one.
I was trying to show where I see that language coming from, it’s something my entire existence depends on pushing back against and challenging these views in relation to womanhood and even motherhood.
I appreciate the apology.
Reading along I’m seeing multiple opportunities you had to acknowledge your definition of “mother” was dismissive of all the mothers who didn’t give birth to their children, and also doesn’t acknowledge the other-than-mother status of, among others, people who gave birth but are raising the child as their father. And instead you kept trying to say the other person is wrong to call you a TERF. Seems to me if you aren’t in that pool, you are skating on very thin ice over it. I’m quite an old cis woman who bore and raised 2 kids, and it’s not hard for me to figure out what a “mother” is and may be, I suggest you try.
I wasn’t intending to exclude anyone by talking about a specific process that happens during pregnancy. Nor was the intent to exclude anyone by acknowledging the passing of dna. Talking about one type of mother doesn’t mean that other types of mothers don’t exist or arent just as worthy of parenthood as the other.
Thank you for taking the time to explain what was upsetting to others. I genuinely could not place what the reason was and even when asking, was not receiving a clear explanation.