I did some political stuff back in the day. We used to say “when people vote, democrats win.” I don’t need a win, I just need the fascist pedo kleptocratic octogenarian to lose.
We need to show the Democrats that being conservative light is not good enough by making it have consequences in primaries.
The lesser of two evils trap demoralizes people and makes them think that this is the best we can hope for from a politician but it’s not, We’ve seen a rise of left-wing politicians lately and we can do better.
We must participate whenever possible and the choices aren’t always great but they do still matter.
So yes, Democrats actively doing less damage than the Republican counterpart, and no it isn’t good enough.
People deserve a world where hope can be a part of it.
Yes, participate in primaries, but if the corpo dem wins a primary still vote for their disgusting self over a Republican (unless there is a VIABLE third party candidate)
unless there is a VIABLE third party candidate
Which there absolutely isn’t.
I mean I gotta put it in to stave off the “but what about bernie” s
Yes, participate in primaries, but if the corpo dem wins a primary still vote for their disgusting self over a Republican (unless there is a VIABLE third party candidate)
This assumes that the problem is that Republicans are in office. That’s not actually the problem. The problem is that the corpo bloc has candidates in both the Ds and the Rs. and replacing Rs with corpo Ds is not actually making any progress.
There’s multiple problems. Society isn’t so simple as to assume there’s one problem. Corpo dems and Republicans are both problems, both worsening society, but one is an accelerant.
Given that the country was founded on the same principles of EuroFascism, by ultraminority white supremacist christian patriarchs who wanted to create lebensraum on the continent by genociding and enslaving anyone and anything in their way and enlisting every citizen in the project through vast systems of social influence and control… I would say the Republicans are the status quo, not an accelerant.
Any argument that is based on “it was founded on” where the founding situation is 100+ years ago is ridiculous. Times change. Times have changed.
Insult the present not the past and realize that Republicans are an accelerant.
Perhaps you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to insult the past. I’m saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point. The USA has always been an ultraviolent blood-soaked fascist Christian-White-Supremacist mass murdering rapacious child-kidnapping torture paradise for the rich and depraved. It’s never not been that. The Republicans aren’t accelerating anything except the inevitable end of your fantasy that middle class white Americans and those who assimilate to be like them would have comfortable lives that were distant from the material and moral consequences of the empire.
I understand what you’re trying to say. I have the presence of mind to realize the progress that was made since the 60s. I have the presence of mind to also realize it wasn’t founded as a christ state as you so pretend too, even if the rest is certainly true. It has been things other than that, and we worked very hard to make it that way, trump is trying to tear it back down again.
I’m by no means saying the USA is good. But in all politeness, if you’re saying that about the usa I hope you have the presence of mind to realize that china and Europe were founded on the same, and Europe has demonstrably changed for the better. Being bad is a spectrum.
I’m saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point.
I can tell you failed math class by this alone. Just as an aside.
What part of vote for progressives in the goddamn primaries do you fuckin morons fail to grasp?
The part where it would work? The Democrats have already shown that they will do everything to stop it, from ratfucking to procedural malfeasance to standing up sheepdogs to siphon off the vote.
And even if you get a handful of progressives primaried in, you’re still looking at a Senate structurally incapable of representing the voters. 70% of the Senate seats are decided by 30% of the US population. That’s by design and original intent. It’s been that way this whole time. You think voting in a couple more reps with progressive politics is going to make a damn bit of difference?
You’re right progressives totally didn’t just sweep the primaries all over the country… Fuckin people get what we deserve.
Yeah because when I look at this political landscape it’s all of them voting together. Pretty easy to see /s
Jfc the stupidity I see here. Fuck
The Democrats are CONSTANTLY participating in the bipartisan consensus. Biden has been supporting Israeli ultraviolence for 5 decades at this point. Bill and Hillary had house slaves in the AR governor’s mansion. Obama and Biden brought in Tom Homan and made it possible for ICE to deployed into cities and deported more than twice the number of people Trump has. Obama and Hillary fanned the flames of Libyan civil war and then gloated when the 70-year-old leader of the country was sodomized with a bayonet in a public lynching by the mercenaries they funded and armed. Everyone knew that the telecoms broke the law when they were caught recording all internet traffic for the NSA and everyone voted to grant them retroactive immunity. Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat in order to ramp up the torture on its citizens.
Racialized mass incarceration is a bi-partisan consensus.
Racialized means testing for public services is a bi-partisan consensus.
Racialized ecocide is a bi-partisan consensus.
Militarization of the police is a bi-partisan consensus.
Putting immigrants and asylum seekers into solitary confinement is a bi-partisan consensus.
Killing 800k people globally from sanctions alone, predominantly children and elderly, is a bi-partisan consensus.You’re not looking at the political landscape. You’re looking at the PR. You know what the Rs and the Ds are doing together? Golfing. Vacationing. Eating lunch and dinner. Meeting up at alumni events. Networking at private school events for their kids. They’re fucking dancing together, on video, with no fucking sense of shame. They are literally working for the same people every single day of their lives, and those people are the same ultraminority that founded the country and designed it to work this way.
Yeah, well said. We need to start forcing them into left and make the Democrats support leftism again
When did the Democrats support leftism? FDR literally created racialized redlining and put anyone who looked vaguely Japanese into concentration camps and stole their property. Obama deported 3M people. You mean the minor political offices of a few mayors around the country that were Sewer Socialists? The party has never been leftist
If you’re going to vote for them regardless of the candidate, there are no consequences for the party in the primaries.
I can see the point when more than 1% of the population votes in primaries
Nevermind that we hold parties accountable and make them actually represent the people. If centrist/corporatist Democrats wanted to win, they should be listening to the people, and they refuse to do that. They are absolutely complicit in what’s been happening over this past decade, even long before that.
Well that’s just nonsense. Any criticism of the democratic party, a famously spineless and dismissive organization, is a psyop?
A party that has collaborated with the Republicans the whole way? Going so far as to make ICE one of the best funded militaries in the world?
It’s far from the only way. They have the means to rig elections or cancel them altogether.
If you think voting is getting you out of this mess, you’re in for a reality check.
This is a misunderstand. It’s not about voting. It never was. It’s about organizing.
Sure vote for harm reduction. Yes, it can slow things down a bit temporarily, but don’t think it’ll save your life. Both parties are genocidal fascists who will continue to escalate war and state violence. From a capitalist standpoint, fascism is correct and necessary. Profits have fallen too low, democracy is no longer profitable, no matter which party is in charge. The billionaires need living standards to drop much lower. But in a democracy, people would not be willing to accept that, so they need to be disciplined violently.
Democrats, just like Republicans will come for your loved ones, arrest communists, continue imperialist wars and genocide, shut down strikes and unions, militarize the police. Simply because Democrats are capitalist and within capitalism, fascism is the next logical step. Not for ideological reasons, but because of real material economic facts. The facts demand fascism. Democrats will adapt or cease to be Democrats.
When Nazi fascism was defeated in Europe, it wasn’t by voting for the lesser fascists. The only way to save democracy is to organize real resistance, that’s able to enforce demands.
If you have limited capacity to contribute and organize, don’t waste your time campaigning for the Democrats. Vote for them, if it makes sense in your state, but that’s just one day. If you have any energy to spare the rest of the year: talk to your neighbors and coworkers about real solutions. For example general strikes and anti-fascist community self defense. Learn communist theory, start a reading group. Join a Marxist org.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Fyi… vote in fing primaries, that is the only way to fix the kinda bad side.
Multiple things can be true. Both sides are bad, but that’s why the concept of voting for the lesser evil is a thing.
Everybody sucks. But you should still vote.
Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don’t agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
Or, you know… you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don’t bring the change everyone hopes for.Which side thinks that food, medicine, and shelter are a human right and not just access to them is a right? I’ll always vote for that side.
Posts about blaming a minuscule minority of voters are specifically designed to encourage people to not look for the causes of rising fascism.
Keeping people distracted and attacking their socialists allies is the only way Democrats can continue to move further to the right and join Trump’s new “War on the Extreme Left”.
If you don’t see the connection, you have a problem.
gotta ask yourself if you want a chance to fix things or no chance at all. with trump, its no chance at all
First of all, half the non voters would vote republican (unless you actually believe democrats are just actually lazier people than republicans?!).
Second of all, 99% of the shit trump does wrong is just plainly wrong under both parties “values.” It doesn’t matter what party this is way bigger than party this is about an enemy of the state controlling the white house.
Also the democrats keep voting to fund his government, instead of shutting the whole damn country down, which is in fact necessary because an active unrepentant child rapist is controlling the white house and he’s starting illegal wars and stealing billions of dollars. So, to vote in the house or the senate for even one dollar of taxpayer money to be entrusted to donald trump as the chomo-in-chief of the executive branch is in and of itself treason worthy of capital punishment.
So yes, fuck the democrats who have voted to pass budgets that hand trump trillions of dollars that he treats as a blank check. Domt tell me dems are the best way to get him out of power, tell me who to vote for to express my desire that the federal government ceases functioning immediately until he gets out. Because this whole lets vote him out ive been hearing it for ten fucking years now and yet here we are. Stop telling me to wait for November, shut the whole fucking thing down today. This guy rapes children and we’re letting him do anything??? Why?? Shut down the government light the constitution on fire because literally zero authority for anything good in the world can exist while the “leader of the free world” is a rapist murderer who is grifting billions of dollars. Like it just has to stop, fuck the vote, just stop this fucking maniac who slathers his face in orange paint and rambles about how the epstein files exonerated him!!
Because this whole lets vote him out ive been hearing it for ten fucking years now and yet here we are.
This is exactly the issue for me. It’s been a literally a decade of them doing NOTHING but then screaming its the end of the world if we don’t vote for them.
Literally nothing you just said invalidates the point the post is trying to make or that we’d be WAY better off with Dems in control.
Being better of under dems doesn’t invalidate the point that both sides are bad.
Correct.
Shouldn’t you be more concerned with the parties caucuses? Since you have a two-party autocrcacy anyways
Literally why Israel got trump in office
