I would have fired him as well. Even if I had to pay him out. If he refuses to shake hands with anyone that would be an entire different matter, but the don’t touch women rule some Muslims adhere to is rooted in sexism and misogyny.
It sounds like the court just didn’t like the reason given for the firing. I’m guessing if they talked to their corporate lawyer first, and fired him for workplace discrimination, that would have been an entirely different court discussion.
But firing him for performance after 3 days on the job? That’s an obvious lie.
You can’t have “my body my choice” for some things and not others. The law/principle is applied universely, everyone has a right to deny touch or any other action to any part of their body from any other individual/group.
Funny how Muslims always get a pass by white liberals and some lefties when they are being bigoted or misogynistic. If this was a manosphere white misogynists who wouldn’t shake hands with a woman y’all would never bring up the “my body my choice” argument.
Sure they have the right to choose who they shake hands with or not but an employer also has the right to fire that person over that choice if shaking hands is part of the job and work culture and they don’t want a misogynist working with their female employees.
Regardless of prejudices towards the perpetrator, I understand and agree with the idea of “my body, my rules”. Yet, I feel like choosing not to shake hand of a specific group based on discrimination is wrong. Am I a hypocrite or am missing something?
You’re not a hypocrite. It seems like a different version of the paradox of tolerance. Think of it more like a social contract. They broke it first so you aren’t obligated to follow the rules when they don’t.
If a Muslim doesn’t want to shake hands with a woman then that’s fine but it also means you can’t work in jobs where you need to do that. Don’t push your beliefs on other people. Just because you believe something doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to bend. We just need to respect your space to do it, or not do it.
If I couldn’t drink alcohol for religious reason, it wouldn’t be discrimination no one wanted to hire me as a wine sommelier.
If someone doesn’t want to shake hands fine but they should apply that rule to everyone equally regardless of race, gender and religion. Otherwise it’s discrimination no matter the reason, religion is no excuse to discriminate. Especially in a professional business environment.
Huh. While you can argue the morality of this one until the cows come home, most places in AU use a “trial period” under which either party can walk away for any reason.
Not the same day, but it reminded me of this:
https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-court-awards-man-34k-for-unfair-dismissal/
I would have fired him as well. Even if I had to pay him out. If he refuses to shake hands with anyone that would be an entire different matter, but the don’t touch women rule some Muslims adhere to is rooted in sexism and misogyny.
It sounds like the court just didn’t like the reason given for the firing. I’m guessing if they talked to their corporate lawyer first, and fired him for workplace discrimination, that would have been an entirely different court discussion.
But firing him for performance after 3 days on the job? That’s an obvious lie.
You can’t have “my body my choice” for some things and not others. The law/principle is applied universely, everyone has a right to deny touch or any other action to any part of their body from any other individual/group.
So if a white person doesn’t want to shake the hands of a Black person they shouldn’t be fired for discrimination?
Funny how Muslims always get a pass by white liberals and some lefties when they are being bigoted or misogynistic. If this was a manosphere white misogynists who wouldn’t shake hands with a woman y’all would never bring up the “my body my choice” argument.
Sure they have the right to choose who they shake hands with or not but an employer also has the right to fire that person over that choice if shaking hands is part of the job and work culture and they don’t want a misogynist working with their female employees.
Why does it sounds right but feels wrong?
If it was a white Christian who doesn’t want to shake the hands of a Muslim nobody here would defend the Christian.
Regardless of prejudices towards the perpetrator, I understand and agree with the idea of “my body, my rules”. Yet, I feel like choosing not to shake hand of a specific group based on discrimination is wrong. Am I a hypocrite or am missing something?
You’re not a hypocrite. It seems like a different version of the paradox of tolerance. Think of it more like a social contract. They broke it first so you aren’t obligated to follow the rules when they don’t.
If a Muslim doesn’t want to shake hands with a woman then that’s fine but it also means you can’t work in jobs where you need to do that. Don’t push your beliefs on other people. Just because you believe something doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to bend. We just need to respect your space to do it, or not do it.
If I couldn’t drink alcohol for religious reason, it wouldn’t be discrimination no one wanted to hire me as a wine sommelier.
If someone doesn’t want to shake hands fine but they should apply that rule to everyone equally regardless of race, gender and religion. Otherwise it’s discrimination no matter the reason, religion is no excuse to discriminate. Especially in a professional business environment.
Huh. While you can argue the morality of this one until the cows come home, most places in AU use a “trial period” under which either party can walk away for any reason.