The primaries is where you try to get your candidate to the general election. Vote for your chosen choice here, and then vote against the fucking Nazi party during the general election. It’s really not hard.
People who sat out this last election are worse than trump supporters. They knew how bad trump was, and decided not to take a stand against him.
The party doesn’t offer good candidates in primaries, either. The only people I’ve found actually worthy of my vote have been from the DSA, PSL, or Greens. This is why the Dems will never support ranked choice voting, it totally destroys their ability to siphon political power from the left.
Kamala Harris would have won the election had she not become best buddies with Dick Cheney and his daughter. All she had to do was to criticise Biden’s mistakes, and promise to do better.
Trump didn’t win. Democracts gifted the election to Trump.
Democrats will go to court and argue that they have the right to interfere with the will of the people in primaries. They will protect incumbent centrists like Henry Cuellar but not incumbent progressives like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. They will sue to make sure no challenger appears on the ballot in all 50 states. They will appoint a candidate no one but genocidal centrists like at the last moment without a primary.
Then they’ll say shit like “The primaries is where you try to get your candidate to the general election. Vote for your chosen choice here”
Because and only because they like how the primary system is rigged in favor of the genocidal shit they like.
All true. And still, if one is a fucking adult, one can see that the GOP is now, quite literally, a facist party, and the Dems are still orders of magnitude less harmful. Once one is in that voting booth, one votes against the much worse party even if the alternative is still bad. I don’t care one criticizes the party up to the election, and swears up and down one didn’t vote Dem, or even lies and says they didn’t afterwards, one still votes Dem or they are simply demonstrating that they have enough privilege or insulation to ride out a fascist administration without much difficulty.
How many times are pro-genocide fash-lite centrists going to ignore that I voted for their garbage pro-genocide candidate?
I voted for Harris. None of you care who anyone voted for. You just want everyone to shut up about the genocide that is the only thing centrists have ever actually fought for.
It’s goddamn infuriating. I’ve been doing this shit for 30 years, man. Holding my nose, voting for the centrist, because that’s where the party was, and that was my only option. Like look at a poll, dipshits. The vast majority of the party want to stop supporting genocide. The left is your ethical base. Start listening to us.
Interesting, based on what I have ready from you I suspect you and I are in agreement on most everything since you did actually pull the lever for harm reduction even though it made you sick. It made me sick in 2016 and 2020 when I did it. Before 2016 I had proudly never voted for a R or D at the national level.
I intended to vote for Harris soley for harm reduction, but I had to go into the emergency room on election morning and wasn’t released in time to vote. So, technically, I didn’t vote for a genocider. By your own logic, my hands are clean, and you are the genocider.
Of course, I don’t ascribe that logic to any of this. Absolutist, black and white, chimeric ethical or moral frameworks that can’t withstand the real world and have ultimately harmful outcomes are a luxury, if not an indulgence. Harm reduction, mutual aid, compassion, that’s what is left as real once you strip away all the bullshit.
Genocide was a losing issue. The left warned you and you didn’t listen. Or you did and went ahead anyway because centrists are fine with trump but not with telling netanyahu no.
It’s an exaggeration, for sure (passive complacency can’t ever be as bad as active complicity), but the general sentiment of looking at the choice between Harris a fucking Nazi who was quite upfront about his plans, and going “Eh, doesn’t make a difference” is stupid. For all her many faults, Harris’ tenure couldn’t have gotten this bad, if for no other reason than the Democrats’ obnoxiously naive insistence on sticking to certain traditions and conventions even if the other side doesn’t (but never actually enforcing those traditions - it’s one thing to figut one-handed, but if the other doesn’t, the moral high ground makes for a nice castle to be stuck under siege in).
I don’t subscribe to the ideology of lesser-evilism. I know that liberals, in their bubbles, don’t understand that their beliefs are an ideology, that they think it’s just obvious, objective, and self-evident, that anyone with a different ideology is just “stupid,” but none of that is actually true.
I’m not going to throw my weight behind someone who I know intends to perpetuate genocide, full stop. You can rant all you want about it, but no matter how hard you try, you’re not going to shame millions of people out of their deeply held convictions.
And I don’t subscribe to the ideology of all or nothing. “Better to compromise all values than only some.” Genocide wasn’t on the ticket. Other issues were. If your deeply held conviction is that ICE and all this shit (including genocide) is better than the alternative, I think your priorities are fucked.
This isn’t about shame, it’s about trying to find a strategy for tackling this shit (liberalism, capitalism, fascism) effectively. We want the same thing, we just don’t agree about the methods, that’s what I’m trying to make a case about: Build progressive support from the ground up, where the stakes aren’t as high, delay the dismantling of liberties and privacy that would make resistance and change harder, vote anti-fascist to buy time to organise resistance.
Who gets to decide what’s on the ticket and what’s not? The party?
I swear, I don’t understand at all why you people complain about one-party states. If the Democrats can simply decide that we don’t get to vote on whether or not to keep doing genocide, and, furthermore, that it is fundamentally impossible to change out that party for something better, then the thing that separates the US system from a one-party state is that we also have a brazenly fascist party looking to undermine democracy at every turn. Tell me, is the presence of the Republican party the thing that makes the US system more democratic?
Other issues were. If your deeply held conviction is that ICE and all this shit (including genocide) is better than the alternative, I think your priorities are fucked.
This is just once again asserting this ideological framework of lesser evilism that I reject.
buy time
God, I hate that phrase.
You’re “buying time” at the cost of directing frustrated energy and momentum straight back into the existing political framework. That’s completely counterproductive. You don’t even want people to voice their opposition to the existing parties, much less to the system in general, even in a presidential vote that, for the vast majority of Americans, not living in swing states, is a meaningless symbolic gesture anyway.
This “buying time” rhetoric is just about trying to appease dissatisfied people with the fantasy that people are going to spend that time organizing as opposed to going straight back to brunch. It’s nothing but procrastination.
No, it’s objectively true that if you knew how bad trump was, and sat at home and didn’t vote against him, then you’re a fucking problem just like maga is.
Oh, are you backtracking already? Before it was "worse than Trump supporters" now it’s “a fucking problem like MAGA is.” This is exactly what I mean. You just say shit.
You want to show that you don’t just say shit? Then explain how voting for Trump is less bad than staying home or voting third party. Maybe you should go around knocking on doors, finding former Republican voters who sat out because they refused to support Trump, and you should tell them they should’ve voted Trump because staying home was “worse.”
Absolutely wild how desperate you are to shift responsibility away from actual Trump voters, to blame anyone except those who directly brought him to power. Maybe you should examine what it is in your brain that causes you to do that.
Or maybe you should just keep saying shit with zero thought or examination whatsoever.
Maybe, you should be an adult and take responsibility for your stupid actions. How about that? No. You guys are fucking worse than maga because maga is fucking dumb. You know how bad trump is. And you sat on the fucking sidlines like a little hipster, and now you still cry about trump.
And y’all were silent about genocide. If y’all had simply said that a genocidal candidate is fundamentally unacceptable, then you wouldn’t have undermined the message and split the anti-genocide vote.
And there we have it, you’re a fucking accelerationist. The dumbest of the dumb. You’re actively working against your own interests because you believe the people will wake up before everything you hold dear has crumbled to ashes in your hands.
Yes, so vote for the lesser evil.
The primaries is where you try to get your candidate to the general election. Vote for your chosen choice here, and then vote against the fucking Nazi party during the general election. It’s really not hard.
People who sat out this last election are worse than trump supporters. They knew how bad trump was, and decided not to take a stand against him.
The party doesn’t offer good candidates in primaries, either. The only people I’ve found actually worthy of my vote have been from the DSA, PSL, or Greens. This is why the Dems will never support ranked choice voting, it totally destroys their ability to siphon political power from the left.
And trump voters knew how bad he was and decided to support him, i dont think you understand how fucked up in the head trump voters are
Kamala Harris would have won the election had she not become best buddies with Dick Cheney and his daughter. All she had to do was to criticise Biden’s mistakes, and promise to do better.
Trump didn’t win. Democracts gifted the election to Trump.
Democrats will go to court and argue that they have the right to interfere with the will of the people in primaries. They will protect incumbent centrists like Henry Cuellar but not incumbent progressives like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. They will sue to make sure no challenger appears on the ballot in all 50 states. They will appoint a candidate no one but genocidal centrists like at the last moment without a primary.
Then they’ll say shit like “The primaries is where you try to get your candidate to the general election. Vote for your chosen choice here”
Because and only because they like how the primary system is rigged in favor of the genocidal shit they like.
All true. And still, if one is a fucking adult, one can see that the GOP is now, quite literally, a facist party, and the Dems are still orders of magnitude less harmful. Once one is in that voting booth, one votes against the much worse party even if the alternative is still bad. I don’t care one criticizes the party up to the election, and swears up and down one didn’t vote Dem, or even lies and says they didn’t afterwards, one still votes Dem or they are simply demonstrating that they have enough privilege or insulation to ride out a fascist administration without much difficulty.
How many times are pro-genocide fash-lite centrists going to ignore that I voted for their garbage pro-genocide candidate?
I voted for Harris. None of you care who anyone voted for. You just want everyone to shut up about the genocide that is the only thing centrists have ever actually fought for.
It’s goddamn infuriating. I’ve been doing this shit for 30 years, man. Holding my nose, voting for the centrist, because that’s where the party was, and that was my only option. Like look at a poll, dipshits. The vast majority of the party want to stop supporting genocide. The left is your ethical base. Start listening to us.
Centrists don’t want to. They spent all this time moving to the right to get here.
Interesting, based on what I have ready from you I suspect you and I are in agreement on most everything since you did actually pull the lever for harm reduction even though it made you sick. It made me sick in 2016 and 2020 when I did it. Before 2016 I had proudly never voted for a R or D at the national level.
I intended to vote for Harris soley for harm reduction, but I had to go into the emergency room on election morning and wasn’t released in time to vote. So, technically, I didn’t vote for a genocider. By your own logic, my hands are clean, and you are the genocider.
Of course, I don’t ascribe that logic to any of this. Absolutist, black and white, chimeric ethical or moral frameworks that can’t withstand the real world and have ultimately harmful outcomes are a luxury, if not an indulgence. Harm reduction, mutual aid, compassion, that’s what is left as real once you strip away all the bullshit.
Those people will only realize that they’ve fucked up when the fascists they didn’t vote against start coming for their privileged asses.
Genocide was a losing issue. The left warned you and you didn’t listen. Or you did and went ahead anyway because centrists are fine with trump but not with telling netanyahu no.
Idk who you’re referring to with “you”, I’m a German anarchist.
Who is preemptively gloating about the state oppressing people you don’t like.
The fuck are you on about?
I’m taking about how dangerous it is to be accelerationist instead of improving the chance for harm reduction at no cost.
They will say “No Kings” and issue blanket pardons to the guilty.
Lmao y’all just say shit.
It’s an exaggeration, for sure (passive complacency can’t ever be as bad as active complicity), but the general sentiment of looking at the choice between Harris a fucking Nazi who was quite upfront about his plans, and going “Eh, doesn’t make a difference” is stupid. For all her many faults, Harris’ tenure couldn’t have gotten this bad, if for no other reason than the Democrats’ obnoxiously naive insistence on sticking to certain traditions and conventions even if the other side doesn’t (but never actually enforcing those traditions - it’s one thing to figut one-handed, but if the other doesn’t, the moral high ground makes for a nice castle to be stuck under siege in).
I don’t subscribe to the ideology of lesser-evilism. I know that liberals, in their bubbles, don’t understand that their beliefs are an ideology, that they think it’s just obvious, objective, and self-evident, that anyone with a different ideology is just “stupid,” but none of that is actually true.
I’m not going to throw my weight behind someone who I know intends to perpetuate genocide, full stop. You can rant all you want about it, but no matter how hard you try, you’re not going to shame millions of people out of their deeply held convictions.
And I don’t subscribe to the ideology of all or nothing. “Better to compromise all values than only some.” Genocide wasn’t on the ticket. Other issues were. If your deeply held conviction is that ICE and all this shit (including genocide) is better than the alternative, I think your priorities are fucked.
This isn’t about shame, it’s about trying to find a strategy for tackling this shit (liberalism, capitalism, fascism) effectively. We want the same thing, we just don’t agree about the methods, that’s what I’m trying to make a case about: Build progressive support from the ground up, where the stakes aren’t as high, delay the dismantling of liberties and privacy that would make resistance and change harder, vote anti-fascist to buy time to organise resistance.
Who gets to decide what’s on the ticket and what’s not? The party?
I swear, I don’t understand at all why you people complain about one-party states. If the Democrats can simply decide that we don’t get to vote on whether or not to keep doing genocide, and, furthermore, that it is fundamentally impossible to change out that party for something better, then the thing that separates the US system from a one-party state is that we also have a brazenly fascist party looking to undermine democracy at every turn. Tell me, is the presence of the Republican party the thing that makes the US system more democratic?
This is just once again asserting this ideological framework of lesser evilism that I reject.
God, I hate that phrase.
You’re “buying time” at the cost of directing frustrated energy and momentum straight back into the existing political framework. That’s completely counterproductive. You don’t even want people to voice their opposition to the existing parties, much less to the system in general, even in a presidential vote that, for the vast majority of Americans, not living in swing states, is a meaningless symbolic gesture anyway.
This “buying time” rhetoric is just about trying to appease dissatisfied people with the fantasy that people are going to spend that time organizing as opposed to going straight back to brunch. It’s nothing but procrastination.
Your daily reminder that BlueMAGA don’t consider non-westeners people and don’t value their lives
No, it’s objectively true that if you knew how bad trump was, and sat at home and didn’t vote against him, then you’re a fucking problem just like maga is.
Oh, are you backtracking already? Before it was "worse than Trump supporters" now it’s “a fucking problem like MAGA is.” This is exactly what I mean. You just say shit.
You want to show that you don’t just say shit? Then explain how voting for Trump is less bad than staying home or voting third party. Maybe you should go around knocking on doors, finding former Republican voters who sat out because they refused to support Trump, and you should tell them they should’ve voted Trump because staying home was “worse.”
Absolutely wild how desperate you are to shift responsibility away from actual Trump voters, to blame anyone except those who directly brought him to power. Maybe you should examine what it is in your brain that causes you to do that.
Or maybe you should just keep saying shit with zero thought or examination whatsoever.
Oh please. Spare me that semantic nonsense.
Maybe, you should be an adult and take responsibility for your stupid actions. How about that? No. You guys are fucking worse than maga because maga is fucking dumb. You know how bad trump is. And you sat on the fucking sidlines like a little hipster, and now you still cry about trump.
You had a chance to help. You sat out.
I take full responsibility for my actions. I have zero regrets about voting third party and I’ll do it again if faced with similar circumstances.
Keep making excuses for fascists while punching left, it’s what liberals are best at.
Naw I punch where it’s needed. You could have helped stop a Nazi, and you stood by and did nothing.
Silence is approval, cupcake.
You supported genocide and then complain about other people being Nazis lol
No, fuck Israel. Kamala wanted a 2 state solution. Kamala was not in charge of the government, Biden was
It’s simply baffling you people have zero understanding of civics.
And y’all were silent about genocide. If y’all had simply said that a genocidal candidate is fundamentally unacceptable, then you wouldn’t have undermined the message and split the anti-genocide vote.
Silence is approval, cupcake.
Kamala wanted a 2 state solution. You see trumps policy.
So no, not the fucking same. Also, I’m not the one who turned America into a fascist state because ISRAEL was bombing people.
When both parties are outright genocidal, the lesser evil is whichever will result in the collapse of the system the fastest.
And there we have it, you’re a fucking accelerationist. The dumbest of the dumb. You’re actively working against your own interests because you believe the people will wake up before everything you hold dear has crumbled to ashes in your hands.
Sure bud. Enjoy being responsible for trump. Have fun with that one. Want a hat? I’ll send you one.
Aww, what’s the matter? That logic of “lesser evil” not doing it for you anymore now that you’re not the beneficiary?