• orioler25@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    I’d be very curious to see how many of you vote for someone who killed your entire family. Hey, you may even have the opportunity to by the time Trump dies and federal Dems expect you to pretend that they did anything to stop this.

    Edit: I’m gonna leave this here in case any of you bloodthirsty libs think that you actually care about anyone’s wellbeing. Imagine hearing news every week – maybe even every day – of your cousins dying, your siblings, your parents, your neighbours, people who you spoke to once and remember fondly, everything about your home destroyed in the most brutal and violent way imaginable; some of them died slowly, trapped under rubble for days. Then, you can’t stomach to support or even tolerate the people who haven’t even stopped bombing and sniping and gassing your family, and some fucking privileged assholes in the metropole blame you when their white supremacist state elects one of two white supremacists. Almost inhuman levels of dissonance.

    Look at this and say why you think these people don’t deserve to hate you and the system you benefit from.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      I’d be very curious to see how many of you vote for someone who killed your entire family.

      Well, gosh, I dunno, let’s say Democrats killed your whole family. So you have a choice: One party that killed your whole family, or another party that… also killed your whole family.

      I guess it makes no difference! Except all the fucking other ways it does, AND that’s if we accept that on that issue both parties are the same, which they are not (although it’s one of the places centre-right Dems fucking suck, yes).

      One of my children hits me with an open fist from time to time, the other one uses a knife. I think I’ll take the kid that only uses their fist over the one that uses the knife. Or some stupid analogy.

      Oh, you don’t like either of those? Then act where it matters to make change! Primaries, run for office, support other candidates. But when it comes to voting between fist and knife, I’ll vote fist every fucking time.

      This argument is fucking infuriating because all of the asshats voting against our best interests are harming all of us. Yes, it sucks, but you have to take the best option at every fucking level, or you get even worse. Like we are now.

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            3 days ago

            If it weren’t part of a larger pattern of diluting the voice of primary voters in favor of genocide wing candidates, you might have a point.

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        Wow, you wrote all of that and didn’t think for a moment, “maybe my best interests are worse for others.” This is what zero material or systemic analysis does to your worldview. You think all of those people are just what, stupid? Too stupid yo know they should make decisions in your best interest regardless of how much the system that you benefit from has ruined their life? You’re the big smarty pants for acknowledging that these two genocidal parties have different tactics? How fucking delusional.

        Maybe extend a sliver of empathy --if you have even that much to spare --and consider how someone would feel to know they are supporting the same people that used sniper drones to pick off their little brother or their father or their mother or the fucking nice neighbour they grew up with. Maybe they don’t care if it hurts them individually to exercise some sort of control over the people that killed their family. Maybe, they think they don’t deserve to suffer the consequences of that system while the metropole lives in comfort.

        People don’t have to behave the way you want, and especially do not have to behave in a way that benefits you, understanding why is more important than pretending that there’s a few people who make this fundamentally genocidal system “worse.”

        “Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds.”

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          “Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds.”

          What country do you vote in?

        • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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          Wow, you wrote all of that and didn’t think for a moment, “maybe my best interests are worse for others.”

          Yes, my best interests like universal healthcare, universal basic income, human rights, not invading other countries, not supporting genocide… or what did you have in mind that you’d like to accuse me of?

          You think all of those people are just what, stupid?

          Well, yes. To borrow from another reply in here, when the option is BAD or WORSE you choose BAD every fucking time.

          You’re the big smarty pants for acknowledging that these two genocidal parties have different tactics? How fucking delusional.

          I’m sorry you fail at comprehension. I guess you’re not a big smart pants.

          Maybe extend a sliver of empathy

          Fuck off, this is a false accusation.

          and consider how someone would feel t

          Again, you can’t be bothered to comprehend anything I wrote.

          Just… fuck off, I’m not going to bother when you don’t bother reading.

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            Very juvenile way to respond (even when ignoring how foolish it is to claim any federal politician in the US hasn’t supported genocide or that healthcare in the United States in any way benefits the targets of its genocides).

            You don’t have to make it public to actually reflect on the consequences of how you think. “You’re dumb and I don’t like what my words mean,” is not really the words of a person who I’d trust to vote in my best interests, anyway. Guess I can say you deserve whatever liberalism throws at you too.

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                I don’t know how you could interpret this as, “polite.” I’m telling you that your worldview is genocidal. If I’m ignorant, please, tell me how you know what you know. I’d love to hear the decolonial scholars that you’ve engaged with so that I can be cured of my moral degeneracy.

                • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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                  When you can’t even comprehend basic things and try to put things into my mouth I certainly didn’t say, I really don’t see the point, and I should have bailed on you much sooner, I’m just tired of people claiming to not want the fascists to win and yet doing things that help the fascists win.

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                    4 days ago

                    Right, so we should attack victims of genocide because they didn’t play nice with the white people in the white supremacist empire. What a non-fascist thing to say.

                    I know this is an internet confrontation and you people treat this as a validation ritual, but I wouldn’t even say what you’ve said in private and still respect myself. There is no justification to think like this in the world we live in; you’re desperate to feel right even if that means being a fascist. Blocked.

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        5 days ago

        It’s a fucked up system where we get to choose between bad and worse and then we wonder why most people don’t vote and hate the government.

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            People should just accept that the US is gonna back genocide, let billionaires fuck kids and steal everything, and then pretend to be great.

            Expecting that we won’t be terrible discourages voting.

            • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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              Why do we have to fucking say this every goddamned fucking time.

              IN THE GENERAL ELECTION WHEN THE OPTION IS FASCISM OR NOT FASCISM DO NOT VOTE FOR FASCISM

              IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST GENOCCIDE AND PEDOPHILIA AND THE REST THEN YOUR TIME TO FIGHT IS NOW, NOT THE GENERAL FUCKING ELECTION. RUN FOR OFFICE. TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT AND REVOLT. KILL BILLIONAIRES. WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST

              BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A GENERAL ELECTION BETWEEN FACIST AND NOT-FASCIST, THE ONLY CHOICE IS TO VOTE AGAINST THE FASCIST

              Anything else supports fascism.

              Now, any other fucking strawman stupid ass offtopic bullshit?

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            4 days ago

            What an easy explanation for why this system works the way it does. I wonder who benefits from this way of thinking.