“Why were they arrested for cras- sudden realization Oooh, oh no…”
Whoever came up with the idea of electronic, non-mechanical door handles needs to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. So many people have been stuck in burning or sinking vehicles due to this horrifically blatant design flaw of requiring power to get out of the goddamn vehicle.
Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors
It’s in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket
People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things
Other things tesla fails to tell their customers, aside from in the owner’s manual, include that pressing and holding the park button activates emergency braking
The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked
Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors
It’s in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket
Having a mechanical backup hidden away in an awkward place isnt the solution, You cant expect someone who is actively being burned alive to stop, rub their chin, and go “Ah, right, the hidden mechanism that I have to excavate to access”.
Just use a fucking normal door latch. Something you can grab in a panic and actually get out of the fucking vehicle before you end up the main course at a luau.
People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things
Its not innovative. Its stupid, idiotic, and dangerous. You shouldnt have to know how to bypass them, because your door should just fuckin work, regardless if theres power or not.
The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked
Which most are, considering most people lock their doors, and hell most modern cars automatically lock them when its put in drive.
Hey they won the Darwin award. Don’t buy a death trap sold as a car
This could kind of be a Darwin award. . ?
Almost every one of these accidents are later proven to be the fault of the driver and autopilot NOT being engaged. Anyone who has actually experienced Tesla autopilot, including myself, will tell you it’s actually very good. In fact my Tesla autopilot has saved me from multiple accidents on the highway.
Lol shut the fuck up clown
You don’t hear about it? I constantly hear about people dying in Teslas. And the car is a joke for years now, it can’t become a joke any harder.
You hear about them because every fatal crash is reported, every fire is reported. You don’t hear about the same things for other brands. A kid killed himself near my place driving his father’s V8 car, it didn’t even make the local news because teenage boys killing themselves in cars by driving recklessly is hardly rare.
I’m aware. Teslas are probably safer than the average old car you have on the roads. But you hear about them a lot more.
Hmm why statistics are against it? I hate Elon, but statistically Tesla is 2x safer than average car. Proof me wrong
Im getting downvotes, but nobody wants to change my mind ;)
After some googling, the “Why?!” in the image seems to be completely bullshit, though.
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Electric cars have a way lower amount of deaths from fire than petrol cars. So why would there be outrage about Tesla fire safety?
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The comparison in the image also completely ignores number of cars on the street, total miles driven. All car models will have fire deaths. Without scaling with number of cars, you are just always going to be outraged at the number of deaths for the most popular car model…
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The outrage about the Ford Pinto was because it was a known specific defect which was covered up (fuel tank rupturing when rear ended), more than the number of deaths in itself. As far as I can tell, the number of fire deaths were actually not extraordinarily high for the Pinto. Hence comparing this not especially high number to Tesla for outrage purposes is meaningless.
There’s absolutely zero chance that Tesla isn’t covering up stuff right now about the safety of their vehicles. Zero.
source: c’mon bro, like, c’mon
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- How come Elon hasn’t been sued into bankruptcy over these deaths?
- How is FSD not outright criminal fraud?
- How is not having accessible door handles in a fire allowed, legal, and not the source of massive lawsuits?
- How is FSD allowed when it’s objectively one of the least safe driving modes around?
Fuck, this is like a fractal of liability that somehow they never get in trouble for. Everywhere you look it gets worse.
- They haven’t been found to be at fault for enough crashes to cost more than their profits
- It seems to work well for most people
- They have mechanical door releases, they are detailed in the owner’s manual
- It seems to have fewer fatal accidents than human drivers, try not to mistake highly reported collisions for high rate collisions
Also:
- How is it that the company that makes this shit has a price-to-earnings ratio of 326 and a market cap of $1.3 trillion. Meanwhile Toyota makes good dependable cars and has a P/E ratio of 11.41 and a market cap of $266 billion, even though Toyota sells 10x as many cars.
Because STONKS.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
They have been sued, but it doesn’t matter, because that’s just the cost of doing business. (If the punishment for a crime is a fine, it’s only illegal for poor people to do it.)
The dude owns a platform that actively generates nude photos of real people on the platform. Then proceeded to put the child porn generating feature behind a paywall when shamed publicly.
At what point will people realize that laws do not apply to the capitalist (Epstein) class. Shame is literally the only (non violent) weapon we have left and they are actively working to stop that as well.
The only way they will see non vigilante justice is at the hands of a revolution.
…I honestly don’t think rich people feel incredible shame by being referred to as the Epstein class. They don’t care.
Well you see, being the world’s richest person enables him to do whatever he wants without repercussion. And what’s a poorer person going to do, go bankrupt and homeless fighting his lawyers?
Run into a tree in any other car, and the airbags will likely save you, and then you just open the door and get out. No flames, no locked doors you can’t open. To me, it looks like Teslas are more dangerous for the passengers in common accidents, regardless of how they happen.
I do wonder who is still buying these things today, because people still are, in spite of sales being down sales aren’t zero, which they should be. There are much better options.
The car has mechanical door handles in the front that at are so obvious people try to use them instead of the electrical ones.
The getting out isn’t the problem. If they were conscious after the crash, at least in the front, it would have been easy to get out unless the door was jammed which can happen after the crash.
The problem is people on the outside that cant potentially open it when its not jammed and the occupant is unconscious, or the backseat where its not obvious how to use the mechanical latch.
Edit: so in this crash it sounds like the driver was probably unconscious, or the door was jammed, both of which cause a deadly situation like this as outside rescues are much harder due to electronic locks.
Edit: and EVs catch on fire less than gas cars, this isnt an EV fire problem.
At the same time, the vehicle’s electric-powered door handles became inoperable once the battery system caught fire, preventing the two from getting out or rescuers getting in – a serious issue that has similarly doomed others riding in Teslas – Shantorria Herring’s complaint alleges.
Terrible engineering. And it cost these two their lives, as well as others.
But those flush handles are so pretty…
From the user manual: it is so easy, in case of a fire, just calmly remove all your stuff from the door pocket, then use nails to remove the rubbery mat on the bottom of that, then take out a plastic cover, there’s a cable, pull that cable. So easy and totally intuitive when someone is panicking after an accident! /s
Ps: I wonder what the user manual means with that “if equipped” part. Some models don’t actually have the emergency unlock under the mat?
Huh, I guess if I let go of the steering wheel in my car, it’s also going to self-drive into a tree, or wall, or car, even without all the fancy marketing by it’s maker of self-driving capabilities
Yes I hate tesla like everyone else but the driver is the driver. The car is not the driver.
I have a Ford Edge that can self steer with Cruise Control on.
If I take my hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds it screams at me and disables the self steering. For it to work I must have a hand on the wheel at all times.
Same with my Tesla. I’m sure part of this lawsuit will cover whether it screamed for the driver in time.
Realistically that’s even a likely scenario for the crash. Autopilot (which is simply adaptive cruise plus lane keeping) screamed for the driver and disengaged, but the driver was not paying attention
I’d also like to know what kind of road it was on. Some
of these descriptions ofroadsin the ukare scenarios where it doesn’t make sense to think autopilot would work, nor to go fast enough for a crash of this severity.Edit: uk reporting but us accident
I feel for the family’s loss: that’s a horrible way to go
…. But the article has a lot of inconsistencies that cast doubt
they’re in the uk and most of the article blames self-driving but that is not supported in the uk.- it gets to the end before switching to talking about autopilot, which is supported in the uk. Autopilot is adaptive cruise control plus lane keeping. I never understood how people seem to think this means self-driving: it is exactly analogous to autopilot in aircraft. Those have a range of functionality but are always under pilot command. I used to fly a small plane with single axis autopilot which basically just kept heading, much less capable than what you’d find on military or commercial aircraft, but there was never any confusion about capability
- the article blames the emergency door release complexity which is true, but the description of hidden cable release depends on model year and which seat you’re in: they get partial credit for improving this over time. My 2023 model y front seats are very accessible
- importantly the flush-mount door handles are not an adequate description of the problem. Firstly, the self presenting handles were only on the high end models: these are mechanically presenting so don’t fail that way. The root cause to focus on is the electronic latch. If your only option is an electronic latch and that fails in the crash, it doesn’t really matter what the handle/button is
- fwiw the entire industry is aware of the possibility of current batteries igniting when sufficiently damaged and, including Tesla, has taken measures to prevent it. But there’s only so much you can do. The question is not whether current battery technology poses that risk: it does. The questions are whether that’s an outsized risk relative to other car technologies and whether Tesla could have done more. There have been several announcements of safer batteries but I don’t think they are available yet.
Edit: UK reporting but the accident was in the US where FSD is supported
With names like autopilot and full self driving, there’s a reason people are overconfident in the cars abilities.
Any complication in emergency door releases is a critical failure and tremendous design flaw. Emergency features should be incredibly obvious and easy to use, because when you go to use it there’s a huge chance you’re disoriented or hurt. A system you need to look for as you burn may as well not exist.
The exterior handle design is just awful. There’s a reason other countries are making them illegal and it’s not because they’re a safe choice.
There’s a reason Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate in the US despite having some of the best crash test results. You survive the impact to die a slower more painful death.
The fact autopilot is called that in planes but somehow pilots know it doesn’t fly the plane for them completely autonomously…
Pilots are highly trained professionals, Tesla drivers are not.
Missed my point but obviously not wrong.
It doesn’t take being a highly trained professional to understand autopilot doesn’t fly the plane.
It doesn’t, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out 1/4 people sitting in the plane don’t understand that. Most Tesla drivers understand that FSD and autopilot aren’t as robust as their titles imply, but you’ve gotta remember how stupid the average consumer is.
Anecdote: last night I was talking to a childhood friend while gaming and he just rented a new Tesla on a work trip and was talking about FSD. The overconfidence in the system after a few easy highway miles was palpable. The phrase “the future is now” was used. This is a high achieving, high earner in a stem career. A smart guy for sure, and he hadn’t taken the time to understand the system he was using; my expectations for a grocery store manager with a GED is lower.
I guess therein kinda lies the problem for me, the fact there’s a lot of idiots doesn’t mean we should prevent everyone from using that thing.
Its just hard to find the line between what is reasonable and babyproofing (degrading the possible quality of) a certain system/feature/tool.
I feel like AI/LLMs in particular are another example, I hear a lot of people saying they need to be blocked/banned because we have dumbasses falling in love with them, people using them to help them commit suicide or people having breaks with reality because they believe the word generation machines lol.
I just don’t think because some people don’t understand how to properly use a thing that it should be completely banned unless the thing is itself literally only intended for harm.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think there should be regulation or anything like that, it’s just I see too many people go way over what I’d think to be reasonable safeguards because idiots ruin it lol.
Edit: Certain drugs too honestly like LSD/Weed/etc
I don’t have any issues with autonomous driving, I have an issue with the marketing associated with it. Word choice is important and the words Tesla uses imply it can fully self drive and it can’t.
Honestly I agree with the rest of your sentiment, don’t tell me I can’t because of some other dipshit.
