Sounds like yet another reason for me to consider switching to piefed sooner rather than later.

And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse.

I’m guessing it’s because he’s the master of attention-seeking.

I’m not sure if I said it before, but I’m talking about the voters, not the party.

The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for “letting Trump win.”

It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency.

But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn’t seem possible at the moment… because they don’t believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example.

And you could try reasoning with them, but… haven’t you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don’t go by reason.

Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible.

They need hope in a better future one can pursue.

We all do.

Am interested, will join as soon as I install/join/??? Fluxer

I am neither gloating, nor is this what I want.

Not to mention how fumbled and last-minute her candidacy was.

Don’t most people do that? I’d say any mainstream attempt to turn the upvote-downvote system into anything other than like-dislike is doomed to fail. We need a second pair of arrows for “worth reading” vs “don’t bother”

Okay, but how are you going to coordinate 100+ million voters to vote for the same candidate so they actually win?

Saying that people are valuing their own or their loved ones’ “comfort and privilege” (which sounds like they value having brunch or something) rather than - in a lot of cases - personal safety, and that they hold white supremacist values, is going to come off as an insult no matter what.

Quick question. Are all American elections first-past-the-post or are there some elections where one could vote for a third party without risking a vote split or something?

I guess America is cooked, then - because you have what, 10, maybe 15 percent leftists (if I’m being really generous)?

How many Democrat voters do you know?

I think most Democrat voters don’t explicitly support genocide. (And no, voting for the “lesser evil” doesn’t count.)

And then there’s that one time time Bostoners turned the Atlantic Ocean into a teapot.

The party leadership? I don’t. The voter base, though…

Not to mention replacing the creation of art with consumption of generated “content” (read: slop)

(Somehow, Orwell saw this coming. One might expect this to be something out of Brave New World, but no, it’s 1984.)

That’s a big assumption to be made about me, especially when I said

Voting Democrat in the general election is the choice with (edited in: the) least horrible consequences

(that is, one should vote for Democrats).

I believe voting is the bare minimum of political effort that should be expected of every citizen of an electoral country, and that tactical voting is sometimes necessary.

And I understand your disappointment with the American left. My comment is addressed to them as much as it is to you.

I had something more like “try to approach liberals with kindness and understanding” in mind.

Because the current approach doesn’t seem to be working.