UK here, I was definitely the last person renting in my circle, bought a house mid to late 30s. Feels like everyone else bought 10 years before.

Blue jeans, blue blazer and brown shoes is the norm nowadays.

Hear me out…

How do we know it wasn’t a peaceful person leaving a hand written note begging for no more datacentres, when their nemesis, Dr Datacentre, drove past and started shooting at him?

Fair point, well made.

You get that there is a pattern of shitty historical revisionists that bring up “Muslim slavery” to minimize US slavery? Which you just did?

Sorry, you’re going to have to clarify this for me. 1) Which revisionists? 2) Why is “muslim slavery” different to “slavery”? What did I do?

Islam is not a world view, what? It’s a religion that has a long history (that a large part includes slavery).

Europe, as implied by the very first post, was a large part of the North American slave trade. However, the UK effectively ended the African slave trade, the first I believe, long before the US did, which is why I mentioned it.

My understanding segregation in the US was actually about white people keeping their kids away from integrated schools (which is a nuance, it wasn’t black school vs white school - and a lot of it was in the south). Slavery is NOT a colour based system. Don’t get me wrong, it clearly ended up being one based on the the US outcome, but we are talking about Human slavery, it’s been happening our entire civilisation, not just the 250 years or so of US existance.

The impact, diminished the impact of it.

What does this mean?

it wasn’t all “Western powers kidnap countless innocent people and move them around the world so they can work and die as the inhuman beasts the Western man think they are”. They’re completely different things, and this attitude is at the core of the American soul, because it’s at the core of the Anglo Saxon soul, because it’s at the core of the Western soul (hence the resurgence of Nazi-adjecent movements and politicians in Europe nowadays, it can’t be just shaken off/waited out, they need an entire ideological change) and it’s the reason why Americans are so happy to bomb/okay with bombing innocents around the world.

I’m sorry, but i think you and i disagree on what a slave is. A human being that is bought and sold. i don’t know how else to word it. It is not Anglo-Saxon, Nazi or any other people or political type.

Slavery is not a Western idea. Look up Korea and it’s world record breaking length of slavery. Or how slaves in Africa were supplied by West Africans.

This is not a Western Idea. Please stop working it as such. In-fact, fuck it, stop calling it Western. It’s just people. Horrible people, from a long time ago. Taking advantage, the same as other people were.

Apologies, but I don’t understand what the colour of skin has in relation to this post?

I agree, I shouldn’t have taken a worldview (Brazil, Europe or Islam) when the post was clearly about the US.

Yes, to a degree.

I think people hyper-focus on topics and don’t understand reasons or consequences.

“OMG, my ancestor was affected by X - I HATE EVERYONE DESCENDED FROM Y AND THEY MUST PAY THE PRICE” it’s a weird “what-about-me-ism” that seems to occur a lot. Modern people are not their ancestors, why should they “pay” for what their forebears did? At what point does it become Ugg should pay to Ogg did with his club 50,000 years ago?

No. I have pointed out that there is a period of time that the post was about that focused on a particular time for a particular nation, and so ignored the WHOLE of human history that allowed slavery. Including today. Also, if I “diminished…American white supremacist attitude” that’s a good thing, right? They should be diminished.

This isn’t a response to what I said being “unclear”. Let’s not deviate from the topic.

Explain what you meant previously.

OK.

This childish outburst doesn’t help.

So…

“I’d rather whataboutism than admit that the country I live in, the one I’m attached to because I’ve been “loving” it like the rest of the American cult, is simply pure evil. Fuck black people, fuck the Natives that suffered my ancestors, my feelings are hurt!”

I’m not American, so I’ll just ignore the first sentence. The 2nd sentence is on another lavel, as I haven’t attacked black people, native people, or their ancestors or my feelings.

Are you ok?

But you said it was unclear. I also didn’t say I was American.

Which part of my opinion is unclear?

I don’t have a problem. I have an opinion.

This childish outburst doesn’t help.

What is your point exactly?

All slavery is bad.

People should stop hyper-focusing on specifics like this, instead, look at the macroscopic view.

Now show slavery in Brazil.

Or Europe.

Or Islam.

This arbitrary timeline doesn’t help. All slavery is bad.

It also doesn’t help applying our current views and ideals on the past. I don’t know when the cutoff is, but at some point we have to say “it was a different time and therefor acceptable” not necessarily forgiving them, but at least acknowledging that it was “acceptable.”