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    No one leaves notes, it’s not the 60’s anymore. This looks like a inside job or a setup to paint anti data center people as violent people.

    The reality is if you are FOR data centers, you are the problem and need to do more research. No one should be for any data centers to be built in this country, I wouldn’t want to live near one. I also hate paying the electric bill for billionaires, they need to pony up all the money, they have plenty!

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      Or put them in places humans can’t easily live.

      It could be in cold remote areas where they could get the sun for several months at a time, charge huge batteries, and run on battery during the dark months.

      They’d have colder ambient air so cheaper to cool.

      Or… return to efficient software values, live within our means, and serve applications from more easily cooled low power chips.

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      I’m curious what you mean by “no data centers should be built in this country”.

      Almost everything on the Internet exists because a data center is hosting it.

      If all of the data centers exist outside of the country, not only latency issues would arise but data security and availability concerns as well.

      If there were no datacenters anywhere, the Internet would be a much slower, unreliable, and sparesly populated place.

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        I miss the days of a much slower, unreliable and sparsely populated internet. That’s when it was its best.

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        Data centers is usually just servers, ai use is the part that needs massive power hungry gpus.

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      They’re pushing hard for them in Georgia. I get a lot of ads on YouTube about how Georgia Power has recently locked in a rate for three years. (I believe they’re ignoring that it shot up a lot prior to this, but I might be mistaken.) It’s so weird seeing ad campaigns that are targeting businesses instead of individuals (or at least individuals working for businesses).

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      Just confirming that to stream Letterkenny in the US, Netflix should build a data center on the Canadian side of Lake Huron (cause they made the damn show of course), and then pipe the data back to the US?

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    Its almost like fucking over all of us with rolling blackouts , skyrocketing power bills, sucking up water, and creating heat islands would upset us. Oh and further enriching billionaires with stolen land. Wow. Weird.

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          It’s Benn Jordan. From watching a bunch of his videos the guy is super legit and would be happy to be disproved on most any of his findings.

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            “Having an effect” is completely different then saying it makes people sick, and the wiki article alternates between citing studies that it does cause discomfort to it doesn’t cause discomfort, and for the studies/experiments that actually proving it does have an effect it was very strong and specifically intended to cause discomfort.

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          Totally understand the skepticism, though this guy puts about as much due diligence into the video as one could hope for - near the end he’s trying to conduct a double-blind clinical trial!

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          It’s not the same, they’re loud high velocity small spinning blades. It’s the same concept as a box fan, very large diameter fan moving slowly is quiet, small high velocity fan is much louder. And they’re ground level and much closer to people and stacked together very closely instead of far apart.

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            Barnyard gossip with a pinch of divination. Mad science is actual science but for the explicit purpose of being evil or off the walls whacky; given enough time or a proper application mad science can turn into normal science.

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              yeah i figured the datacenters being sound weapons or something was close enough to mad science, right? it could be sam altman’s evil plan maybe?

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    Hear me out…

    How do we know it wasn’t a peaceful person leaving a hand written note begging for no more datacentres, when their nemesis, Dr Datacentre, drove past and started shooting at him?

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    I bet this isn’t what really happened. It has the feel of a scam. The payout this guy has been promised for helping get that slop farm built must be huge.

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      You’d be surprised at how cheap indiana politicians can be bought for. If the stoners here could organize a go fund me and donate the cost of a taco bell meal each we’d have legal weed.

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    Eco-terrorists do your thing. No one else will stop this stupid forward momentum on AI as it needs to suck in huge resources just so some dipshit can request porn comics.

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      Please people, you need to stop spreading this misinformation.

      AI is not killing the environment. If you track the sources of these claims, you will find that they first were spread by McKinsey and Bloomberg, who have a vested interest in publicly traded oil companies and other polluting corporations. They love to spread this misinformation because it distracts from the REAL environmental harms being caused by fossil fuels, meat farming, and concrete production. See drawdown.org for the specific numbers.

      We need to stay focused on climate change and not get distracted. Our efforts should be focused on stopping new coal plants and factory farms. Datacenters, and especially the one in indianapolis which wouldn’t even have used water for cooling, have minimal environmental impact compared to trump’s coal, oil, and farming policies which will kill tens of millions in the long run and have already sparked wars.

      We can fix climate change. We were so close to replacing fossil fuels that oil companies got scared; we can’t afford to give up at the last mile.

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        The opportunity cost for AI is pretty high. That’s a lot of resources spent on something that’s bad for the world, even if it’s not specifically the worst for climate change reasons in a first order sense.

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      I actually think the market will beat them too it. Between Sora being taken out behind the barn, the laundry list of layoffs that indicate these companies are getting high off their own supply, and lastly the very real realization that all this “investment” is a massive billion dollar circle jerk.

      It looks too bubbly to me, we can only hope the pop happens fast enough that these companies cant cannabalize eachother, but thats wishful thinking.

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    Wait, did the shooter walk up to the house, politely place the note under the mat, then start blasting?

    Or did they light the place up before dropping off the note?

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        That’s literally not true. The current administration is in power because 86 million eligible people didn’t bother to vote.

        If “Did Not Vote” had been a candidate:

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          I’d be interested in an interactive version of this where you could assign a percentage of those votes to the person who lost the state as a naive proxy for “what would have happened if the people who thought their vote didn’t matter because [D|R] would win anyway”. I know it wouldn’t be an actual measure but it’d be fun to mess with anyway.

          In particular I find it kinda interesting that CA and TX are both didn’t vote and both historically considered “easy wins”.

          This image is just generally interesting because it also turns the idea of swing states around a bit. If neither candidate motivated enough people in all of those states could we consider them swing states?

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            I think you are on to something, but I’d say it actually largely deflates the ‘people didn’t vote and if they had, maybe the outcome would have been different’ narrative.

            “Did not vote” rules in non-swing states. I wager that, for example, most people didn’t vote in california not because they see their candidate as a lost cause, but because they know “their” candidate has carried the state for sure.

            So in a shift to proportional electoral vote or popular vote, you’d probably get a lot more voters engaged in California, Hawaii, NY, and pick up democrat votes but you’d also get more red voters from Alaska, Texas, Utah, Kansan, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabamba, Tennesse… etc… I’m not sure which group manages to bring out more non-voters in that scenario…

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              I wager that, for example, most people didn’t vote in california not because they see their candidate as a lost cause, but because they know “their” candidate has carried the state for sure.

              That’s a natural interpretation as well. I wonder if it’d be possible to at least guess at whether it was that or “my person won’t win so what’s the point”. There are probably so many other factors. For example the “did not vote map” looks surprisingly similar to the SOVI map: https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/place-health/php/svi/svi-interactive-map.html. I’m not entirely sure what to make of that, my knee jerk thought is that you could see more “what’s the point they’re both the same” or “neither side actually cares about my needs” among disenfranchised people in general combined with maybe more voter suppression efforts in disenfranchised areas? Would voting being a federal holiday or easier to vote by mail make those areas specifically better?

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          The only difference is that the Democrats wouldn’t be threatening to end the civilization. AIPAC and thus Israel has our country by the proverbial testicles.

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            AIPAC & Israel? This post is about domestic data centers. It’s easy to say “bOtH SiDeS” and that nothing would be different if we had successfully kept Trump from returning to power…

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              Between work, here, and other things pulling at me, got confused what it was about. My apologies.

              For the actual topic, though, I still don’t see Dems are more than the control opposition party. You throw enough at most of them and they’ll let you do something.

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    The Free Market in action. If you keep behaving in conflict with the people, eventually the people are going to stop it. Ask that health care CEO. This was a threat this time. It won’t be a threat next time.

    This guy is a politician, and a constituent is telling him the position he should take. He should do his job, and listen to his constituent.

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        The problem with violence being the answer is that you need a specific scope and endpoint for it. Otherwise it becomes it’s own problem.

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          Valid. It is a useful tool, to be employed in the proper circumstances, to achieve a specific objective.

          Unfortunately, these MAGA Morons have no idea what any of that means. Violence is just “Wicked Cool!” to them.

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      I’m sick of not being able to vote for a fucking good person.

      I will not vote for anyone approving data centers in my city. Scumbags.

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    This honestly sounds like some half assed right wing flase flag shit. Paint everyone against datacenters as crazy and violent.

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      I’m from Indy - no one is buying the story. The councilor is a complete tool who’s hated by his own constituents and will be voted out. He’s been caught multiple times making up shit like this just for attention.

      Just a thought - if someone was this passionate against new AI data centers, why would they get an anti-data center flyer, put it in a plastic bag, leave it under his doormat, and then shoot up his door? If they’re going to this much trouble, they want to stop the data centers. But they’d be relying on the councilor looking under his doormat and that his opinions wouldn’t be hardened by this. Why wouldn’t they try to kill the councilor, too? Why wouldn’t they at least leave behind an actual threat?

      What’s much more likely is he either did this for attention or it was a drive-by shooting and he either put the flyer there himself or it just happened to already be on his porch.

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        I’m not from Indy and don’t know fuck-all about this particular “victim”, but I kinda believe it. There are a lot of whacko-crazy nut jobs out there.

        Nothing in the story that I’ve read points to a political bent for the alleged perpetrator. I do however know that he or she was actually at my house drinking beers during the timeframe of this purported crime.

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      Meanwhile they are threatening to genocide a nation.

      Is all violence crazy?

      (I’m not saying you’re even wrong, but this false flag shit wouldn’t work if people decoupled crazy from violent.)

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    The old delivery method for these kinds of ominous threatening notes was tied to a rock. This is new.