Dutch people cycle an average of 2.6 kilometres each per day. If this pattern was replicated worldwide, the study suggests, annual global carbon emissions would drop by 686 million tonnes.
This mammoth figure exceeds the entire carbon footprint of most countries, including the UK, Canada, Saudi Arabia and Australia.
And of course it’s your responsibility as opposed to the people designing infrastructure, the politicians approving their plans, and the corporations lobbying the latter
/s
I got 54kms to get to work every day and no place to park that’s safe between.
I would be happy as a Clam to save my morning run and go to my car but it’s not feasible unfortunately.
Maybe stop putting the buck on people trying to make a living and give it to politicians who fly privately or massive shipping companies.
Nobody’s asking you to cycle for 110 km per day, and the Dutch don’t fo that either. It’s about building cities that are bicycle-friendly, and where people can live in reasonable proximity to their job and all services.
If you’re in the US or Canada the problem is likely zoning and suburbia.
The problem is look his densely populated European cities are. Here we have sprawl and more sprawl.
So given the cities are have now, what can we do? Can’t simply build a new one or tear the old one down.
Stop voting for politicians who want to get rid of existing bike lanes (Doug Ford - Ontario, Canada), stop voting for politicians who oppose high density residential zones (gestures at most of the developed world), and vote for politicians who have the best public transportation plans. Get involved with city politics a la the annoying people in parks and rec. It works. Donate to and get involved with your local progressive organizations (shout out to https://www.progresstoronto.ca/).
Just narrowing the space for cars and adding continuous walking paths plus protected bike lanes will get you pretty far. The goal isn’t that every single person should travel by foot or car every time, it’s to make it more common to use those travel modes in general.
And build passenger trains.
We can just change the design of existing cities.
Heck the Netherlands was designing for cars until massive protest (violent and non violent). It then started to change existing infrastructure for a more people focused design.
A oil crisis helped of course
But it wasn’t. Your telling me an old city was designed for cars?
No I’m telling you they were designing for the car after the second world war. Just like in north America(North America cities started a bit earlier). Most north America cities were also not build for cars, but bulldozed for the car.
Amsterdam for example also had plans to build a highway into the city (lucky the lack of money and opposition stoped it) and bulldozed some streets already for heavy car design. The rest of the city streets where full of cars and parking.
Here is what the Damrak looked like

But after the stop de kindermoorden (child murder) protest(and many more) it slowly started changing. Now everytime a street is renewed it is to today’s standards including people focused design.
Also keep in mind the old city of most European cities is pretty small. The argument “BuT tHe cIty Is olD” only works for maybe 20% of a city the rest is build after the 1900 or for sure not medieval.
And this is also not just a big city thing. Every city, Town or Village(and also outside it) has the same rules for street design. Amsterdam for example really sucks te ride a bike I think. There are many better cities in the Netherlands.
But you can also look like a city like Rotterdam, a city designed for the car in the Netherlands. It’s not great but it still has room for bikes and public transport. And some projects to make the city more people friendly.
You did that already once, when decided to move to car-centrism. No reason not to do it again
Get an ebike
Ebike are expensive. I know people how bought small used cars for the price of an ebike.
I once bought a used bike for 12 € another time for 5 €. Yes, it was a long time ago and we got inflation since bit ever since bikes become trendy, they got overly complicated and overly pricy. That doesn’t help people cure their carbrain syndrome.
you want the mad max future
I am strongly leaning toward beginning to take practical steps to someday move to the Netherlands because, even ignoring the ugly US political climate (which let’s be real, is probably not going anywhere good anytime soon), I came to realize as a bike commute lover that I will always be miserable in this country unless I relocate somewhere where I can bike more freely.
Sidenote: a vegan who drives has almost as low of a footprint as an omni who is full time car-free. So why not both? Whatever you can do for where your life is at, the more plants you eat and the less animal products, the more worthwhile you’ll find it to be.
The Dutch also have a very flat country
They make ebikes now that really help with hills
As someone who’s relatively recently started riding a motorcycle I feel like at that point skip the half measure and get an electric motorcycle. Really don’t get the focus on bycicles in these discussions since I feel like it’s liable to make people think it’s a lost cause in areas like mine where the city is quite literally on a 20 degree slope minimum.
Wish I had an electric motorcycle to a degree but the 40 year old 110 is far more workable with what I intend to do with it what with reserve fuel and whatnot. Is it insane to plan a trip from SoCal to Washington on a 40 year old motorcycle? Yes. Will that stop me? Fuck no. My first trip up there was with a slowly dying 95 four runner I’ve got to up the standard set by 19 year old me.
True, but 4 hills = 20 miles.
That doesn’t get a lot of snow.
Oulu (Finland) is pretty big on cycling and they get plenty of snow
If everybody cycled as much as the Dutch, global carbon emissions would drop by nearly 700 million tonnes per year.
For context, Wikipedia puts annual global carbon emissions in 2023 at 39,024 million tonnes. That’s a 2% slash. I suppose if you find a lot of these it could add up, but without a fix for the original problem of unregulated capital expansion it’s just going to fill the void.
For context, aviation is also about 2% of emissions. So it really isn’t nothing.
But the lower-hanging fruit for me is all of the kerosene used to cook. That’s also about 2% of global emissions and it’s a good candidate to be fixed with solar panels and wind turbines.
By the Allfather id kill for a good quality electric stove for camping. At least on the same durability and reliability as my propane/ butane one.
there is NO solution to climate change that doesn’t involve a > 80% reduction in car use (and banning flying) Even the IPCC has said e-cars aren’t an answer (they embed urban sprawl).
There’s is a persistent myth that we can’t inconvenience anyone, which is patently nonsense as the destruction of civilisation from climate change is more than inconvenient.
People are not going to give up their comfort. And that is the problem. It isn’t just cars it is rampant consumerism that is a problem and nobody is giving that up.
Well, they have longer legs than the rest of us.
Rebuild the whole of society, place affordable houses around work centers and we could.
Cities need to be build around this concept
They were. America bulldozed them. Just do it again
*Car companies bulldozed them. Around the same time they bought up all the trolley systems, and then shut them down.
Hey, hey, hey… my fat mother isn’t going to ride a bike. Even though I rode a bike for years, I like air conditioning now that I’m older (fatter). You can’t save the world trying to convince me that I should sweat.
/this is sarcasm
They make these great recumbent trikes for us fat decrepit folk
People are not aware how wasteful cars with combustion engines are. If you go by a car to the next supermarket to buy a veggie pizza, the emissions from the car are likely higher than from your whole meal - 220 grams per person-kilometer.
Per kilometer, the carbon footprint of a car is about as high as seat in a passenger plane.
Trains are at a tenth of that.
Bikes practically at zero.
And bikes are the means of transport which statistically make your life longer , not shorter - cars mostly kill people by lack of movement.
As an American, the closest I’ve come up death, by far, is on bicycles. I’m also a motorcyclist, but my closest calls have been on bicycles.
I’ve also had bicycles stolen. Per mile traveled, it’s amazing how often they’re stolen.
Bicycling in America is a great way to put your life at risk and have to take a taxi home because someone stole your vehicle. If you try to improve it with things like “15 minute city” initiatives, right-wingers freak out about a conspiracy to control them. It sucks.
Fuck trains, too, at least in America. The other day, I had to wait almost half an hour while a cargo and lumber train blocked my path, switching cars on and off of a branch line. There were probably 50+ cars, idling in the heat for half an hour, all so that some train company can make a few bucks by abusing its employees, inconveniencing the public, and skip infrastructure maintenance on land that was granted to them generations ago.
Yeah, America is fucked.
I feel like we’re kinda derailing the discussion if our point of reference is North America. You guys have spent generations building a car-centric society. The same is not true for most countries. You can fix it but your solution will probably involve a lot more public transit rather than bicycles.
“bikes are icky and slow. They just get in the way of my lifted f250, blacked out, with a really loud exhaust that I only use to drive to Walmart for groceries” MAGAcucks
“I also modified the engine to run richer and added smoke stacks so I can gun the engine and blast smoke and vaporized diesel into the faces of cyclists.”
I’m from the Netherlands and use a bicycle for most of my daily commute. What isn’t mentioned in the article: cycling is also dirt cheap. I bought a new bicycle 8 years ago for 500 euro, needed two times a repair of around 100 euro in total. That’s like 3 months of owning a cheap car
500 Euro?!
Luxury!
When I lived in The Netherlands I would buy my bicycles second hand (well, more likely 3rd or 4th hand) from a bicycle shop at the train station for less than €100.
It would’ve been cheaper to buy from the fishy looking guy near the Red Light District but those source their bicycles in “special” ways (and I don’t mean “drag it up from the canal”).
Granted, this was maybe 2 decades ago, but still, €500 sounds like treating oneself with an extra nice brand new bicycle.
Curiously I kept doing the same thing - buying my bicycles second hand from the bicycle shop - in both London and Berlin.
500 € is the cheaper side of decent new bikes… Inflation is a bitch. Still, you can’t even buy only the tires of many cars for that price. It’s dirt cheap to cycle.
Yeah, for a brand new bicycle it doesn’t sound too much nowadays, considering that an electric scooter will be more expensive.
As I said I’m used to buying them second hand which even now is quite a bit cheaper - last one I bought was a couple of years ago in Berlin (were I was going to stay 3 months) and if I remember it correctly it was 200 euro.
Aye. Course, we had it rough. We used to have to buy a bike for 75 euro from a scrap yard.
You had access to a scrapyard?!
When I was young we had to pay a farmer 25 euro so that he let us in into his part of the woods were we would make our own bicycles from pieces of twig and some leaves!
Luxury! When I was a lad we would go out to the prison yard and scavenge mismatched bicycle parts from the prison chop shop then build them into a frankenwheelie
But are they good bikes though? I’ve been to Amsterdam twice, once in the 80’s and again a couple of years ago. I love the bicycle culture but the bikes themselves, not so much. I saw a few decent ones but they were few and far between the heavy looking cruisers most were riding. I was a transportational cyclist in California for a few decades and my last bike was $1100 new in 1987. Would be a few thousand today and I can’t picture riding anything lesser. My standard commute was a little over 11 Miles, so 18 km…
You don’t NEED a carbon frame multi-thousand dollar bike any more than drivers need Lamborghinis. If that’s what you WANT, that’s fine, and you should buy it. For most people, they want the equivalent of a Honda Civic.
Yeah, I’m riding a massive hundred pound steel behemoth. It’s fun and carries 200 pounds of kitty litter, but I am not moving that thing faster than 7mph uphill under my own power
my favourite bikes to ride are my shittiest ones (that I keep in good condition)
they’re not actually shitty bikes, they’re just 25 years old and I bought them for next to nothing. they’re nothing like my good bikes, and yet they get ridden the most
I think if you’re having trouble enjoying yourself on a well-maintained cheap bike, the problem is with you and not the bike tbh
Oh, it’s definitely with me. Good bikes are a pleasure to ride and get you there faster, handle well and are generally safer. Clunky cruisers and lesser bikes handle poorly, go slow and shift even worse should they have gears. I still ride the 1987 Bridgestone MB-1: Cro-mo steel, suntour, drop bars. It’s old but nothing shitty about it.
I just don’t get societies that embrace the bicycle but ignore the technology and quality that makes them good.
Then build us cities like the dutch.
I always say my “dream car” is good public transit and walkable cities with good bike infrastructure.
It might not work everywhere, but it’s a nice goal and it would have the secondary effect in America of making most of us a lot healthier.
I’m all for more biking. I will remind everyone that the Netherlands is almost completely, absolutely, flat. probably the most conducive place for biking in the entire world
I think this is the biggest thing. Everyone’s complaining about weather like you cant just dress for it.
The biggest thing is that the biggest hills you’ll get in the netherlands are when youre going over a bridge over the canals. Otherwise the whole place is below sea level.
Still though, we can definitely make it easier and better for bikes around the world.
But you forget: the wind is against you both ways!
Only partly a joke. I have a job in N Holland once, way up, and my commute was directly North-South. The prevailing winds come from the West, BUT usually the started off SW, against me, then over the course of the day changed to NW, again against me!
Hate that job anyway.
I think this is irrelevant now that bicycles with electric motors are so common.
200m climb per 10k is also very doable.














