• woelkchen@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The EU shouldn’t come to the protection of countries that actively reject them then (this includes Greenland who left in 1983).

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      1 day ago

      Iceland is part of EEA, so it hasn’t really rejected EU I’d say, they just don’t want to talk about giving up sovereignty.

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        1 day ago

        Still left the European Community in 1983. No amount of downvoting changes this fact.

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          1 day ago

          That’s true - but Greenland’s defense is managed by Denmark, who is indeed a member of the EU, so your argument doesn’t really hold.

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            Greenland’s defense is managed by Denmark

            Go ask Denmark then, not other EU countries when Trump comes for you, Greenland.

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              23 hours ago

              They are. It was Denmark who asked other EU countries to help.

              Under the current rules, the Greenland premier isn’t even allowed to talk to foreign leaders without a Danish representative present.

              In a sense, Greenland has no foreign relations beyond those mediated by Denmark.

              What did Greenland do to piss you off?

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                20 hours ago

                And our tax money shouldn’t go to Greenland’s defense. Become member and contribute.

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                  18 hours ago

                  What tax money? Greenland’s defense is funded by Denmark. If your country uses its military to aid Denmark and Greenland that’s not Greenland’s or EU’s fault, that’s a decision made by your government.

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                    15 hours ago

                    Not if Denmark demands help from other EU nations to defend their non-EU territory that made the conscious decision to leave us.

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      1 day ago

      It doesn’t. EU doesn’t even protect its members. EU doesn’t have any army or common defense policy. Maybe you’re confusing it with NATO?

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          1 day ago

          " This assistance can, for example, range from diplomatic support and technical or medical assistance to civilian or military aid, among others."

          So it’s “assistance”, not “defense” mechanism. Each member can decide what type of assistance they will provide but they are not mandated to “protect” anyone. That’s what NATO is for.

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            1 day ago

            The EU article is even stronger. NATO Article 5 says

            shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that […] each of them […] will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking […] such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force

            “deeming necessary” can be anything, really.

            The EU one states

            If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power

            Having an “obligation” and being obligated to use “all the means in their power” is stronger than the “deeming necessary” of the NATO.