• Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    “BL”? I’m sorry, I’m displaying my ignorance, but I’m guessing this does NOT stand for “Black Library”?

  • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Are you trying to imply that the ideas of slave owners from the 18th century are not the gold standard on which society must be based for all eternity going forward?

  • astutemural@midwest.social
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    3 days ago

    Blatantly false. After the Constitution went into effect, a whopping 6% of the population could vote. You had to own a certain amount of property, be male, and not be a Native American or black person. It wasn’t a democracy. It was an apartheid oligarchy, and very intentionally set up that way. The founders didn’t want the masses of people to vote; several of them were quite afraid of it.

    The USA only became a democracy in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act and its guarantee of universal suffrage. America became a democracy in spite of its origins, not because of it.

      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        Yeah the only places that had more democratic means were basically a handful of weird German city states or were gone by the 1700s. The Icelandics arguably were more democratic before being brought under Norway and the Witan of medieval England was similar but both were gone by then.

    • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Even then, it’s still not a particularly democratic democracy, e.g. disallowing felons from voting means people experiencing problems with the current law have no power to change it. When a citizen’s right to vote is conditional, suffrage is not universal.

      • kunaltyagi@programming.dev
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        2 days ago

        Disallowing voting on any reason just allows the govt to use it to disenfranchise voters. Systemic biases have ensured that majority of original classes of people ineligible to vote have the largest proportion of disenfranchised voters even today in USA after 60 or 250 years, however you want to count

  • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 days ago

    I wouldn’t say it was “fundamentally” founded in democracy when originally only white property owning men could vote.

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      3 days ago

      It was fundamentally founded in the concept of “a king having power over everyone is unfair, but obviously having a ruling class of oligarchs is okay”, and basically has never moved from that point. Just rich white dudes mad at one more powerful rich white dude. They never intended to give up an inch of their own power. They were just salty about the king

    • grue@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      More like Ben Franklin is already four rounds in with your mom, after figuring out how to use your time machine all on his own and borrowing it to go pick her up.

      • socsa@piefed.social
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        3 days ago

        Ben Franklin: “you’re telling me these people on the Internet post pictures of their feet… For free?”