Vision Zero failed in Los Angeles because the city failed to adequately fund it. And the first time there was significant pushback, city officials ran scared, cancelling fully funded and shovel ready projects in multiple council districts, including dangerous and deadly streets like North Figueroa and Temple Street.
Now there’s a campaign urging Mayor Bass and the City Council to declare a state of emergency regarding traffic violence — although that may fall to her successor, whoever that may be, after June’s election.
You’ll find my name on the petition calling for it.
I’ve seen figures that cars kill between 500 and 700 kids EVERY DAY, worldwide. Can you imagine if the Terrorists got 700 kids just once?
We’d probably do something about that.
I’m not sure how it got implemented in LA or Hoboken but vision zero in pdx is so poorly thought out. I think we have ~50 traffic fatalities a year. I think ~35 are homeless related and they don’t give a fuck about anything when they cross the road. Traffic calming measures aren’t fixing that. More resources to help the unhoused might. The next ~10 are cause by poor lighting and street racing which can be fixed but aren’t addressed well if at all in our plan. The last 0-5 are ones that would legitimately be solved by some traffic calming. We’ve spent all our money trying to implement traffic calming when that would only fix 10% of the fatalities and nothing on addressing the root causes of 90% of the fatalities. So since implementing vision zero deaths have gone up and traffic has gotten worse.
Edit. I guess I haven’t looked at the data in a few years and it has gotten better since 2023. The first few years of the plan fatalities were going up each year. Unhoused deaths in particular have gotten much better going from accounting for 74% of the fatalities down to 20%.
As of the 2020 United States census, the Hoboken’s population was 60,419.
With an estimated 3.88 million residents within the city limits as of 2024, Los Angeles is the second-most populous city in the United States.
Yeah, cause they are totally the same amount of traffic and scope. Do you even know how to use statistics to lie because this was pretty bad. First day at the job?
If we only go by ratio then, LA has about 1 death per 10,000–15,000 residents per year. That should still mean Hoboken gets a handful or so deaths per year.
A typical American city of Hoboken’s population averages about six to eight traffic fatalities per year, according to the Centers for Disease Control. [Cited from here.]
Seems about right, ratio wise, both for Hoboken and LA.
Yet Hoboken has zero deaths in 9 years since implementing this? Hardly a statistical anomaly, but couldn’t be anything than pure causality.
Feel free to correct me if I’m thinking about this in a way that isn’t logical.
This comment actually got me curious, so I found these numbers for cities with population around ~1.1 to ~1.4mi
Can you guess which cities are actively investing in their vision zero programs and reforms?
Lemmy doesnt like tables, so I’m sorry in advance:
Numbers normalized to 100,000 population
Deaths per 100k City Country Source 0 Helsinki FIN 1 0.36 Oslo NOR 2 3.70 Amsterdam NLD 3 4.20 Porto PRT 4 4.38 Adelaide AUS 5 4.59 Chihuahua MEX 6 8.64 Florianopolis BRA 7 9.39 Mendoza ARG 8 14.15 Valparaiso CHL 9 16.01 Jacksonville USA 10 I was going to try go get 5 cities per continent, but I ran out of time. I think we already can get a good picture.
Population taken from 2025 numbers https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities which says it sources from https://esa.un.org/unpd/wup/ (currently down for maintenance). It was not ideal to use 2025 numbers, but differences would be minimal based on annual growth
Latest source data available was used, which is around 2022-2025. There are PDF links, open with caution
Lemmy does have markdown support for tables but I’m at work so I can’t look it up right now.
I’m glad to hear that, I think it wasn’t documented last time I searched for it, but it works, as seen here: https://fedecan.ca/en/guide/lemmy/for-users/markdown
I’ll update the post
Yeah! These are some good fucking numbers. This is what we need more of, not the baseless news of “small community did what a metropolis couldn’t”.