Due to the large number of reports we’ve received about recent posts, we’ve added Rule 7 stating “No low-effort posts. This is subjective and will largely be determined by the community member reports.”
In general, we allow a post’s fate to be determined by the amount of downvotes it receives. Sometimes, a post is so offensive to the community that removal seems appropriate. This new rule now allows such action to be taken.
We expect to fine-tune this approach as time goes on. Your patience is appreciated.
oh damm … I was enjoying seeing screenshots of everyone’s architecture …
Seems okay-ish if it removes all the AI slop and spam quickly. The mods already have the technical power to dictate things, so this rule change just make their actions tie more closely to their management reputation
Fucking thank you!
This is fine if the post is something insanely low effort.
But I do worry if this ends up being too aggressive.
One of the things that made reddit so awful is how over moderated it was.
I don’t really take issue with dozens of posts by newbies asking the same basic question over and over. I used to be one and am occasionally back there again if I start a new hobby. Hopefully newcomers don’t get pushed off by overly sensitive moderation.
It would be helpful if you could provide a hypothetical example of what is considered a “low effort” post.
I couldn’t agree more, I join selfhosting communities all over and not just because I need more stuff to host, because of the community. I love getting to read through the questions and answers, even when they are questions that could be answered by just reading the man page… Maybe it just reminds me of the good old days as I’m getting older and remember asking a lot of similar questions.
Lemmy started off over moderated and has only gotten worse. Moderation here is honestly worse than Reddit already, since we can see the ridiculous comment removals and bans and their reasons.
I don’t really take issue with dozens of posts by newbies asking the same basic question over and over. I used to be one and am occasionally back there again if I start a new hobby. Hopefully newcomers don’t get pushed off by overly sensitive moderation.
I’m not sure if I agree with this, unless you need clarification on something specific the forum like nature and search should allow you to find answers to previous questions without asking it again.
But I do agree overmoderation is bad. I swear if communities start implementing a karma system…
This is a tough one. “Low effort” is where engagement metrics start dictating what kind of discourse we get. I think the real metric should be whether someone read what came before and actually responded to it.
We built a project trying to measure public opinion through thoughtful email replies instead of hot takes and quick reactions. The pattern I see is that most “engagement” is people pasting headlines, quoting selectively, or dropping one-liners. The good stuff happens when people actually wrestle with an idea.
Moderation works best when it focuses on whether a contribution adds new information or perspective. A short comment can be high effort if it synthesizes well. A long ramble is low effort if it adds nothing.
Well, your last paragraph kinda defines engagement. And low-effort posts mostly don’t get any engagement.
Does this include Youtube videos? Or at least Youtube videos without a clear description and summary?
Those constant ad money farming posts really lower the quality of this sub.
Yes. Posting a fucking link to a yt video is low effort
Self-hosting is inherently not low effort. This isn’t memes or shitposts. This is people helping people that are trying to help themselves, a.k.a. people making an effort. Communities rely on the discretion of mods and rules specific to the community focus. If this community didn’t have some kind of bar to meet for low effort posts it would drive away participants and contributors more interested in higher effort and more interesting topics. It gets real old seeing people ask and answer the same basic questions about Plex, Jellyfin, *arrs, and docker all the time. Worrying about if this rule will be abused seems premature. Besides (as others have pointed out) there are other communities with similar interests, if you’re that concerned that your spammy no-context YouTube video got deleted, please go try your luck elsewhere.
Some people do post memes. And it destroys the community, causing people to unsubscribe.
This rule will protect the community in the long run.
If you want to shitpost, create a separate “selfhostedshitpostandmemes” comm.
How much effort went into the OP? “Low”? Gotta love that irony.
Wouldn’t that rule drive more verbose drivel noise to evade appearing low effort?
Sometimes low effort’s all that’s called for. Methinks this is not the correct criteria found yet. Patiently awaiting the search for remedy to apparently continue.
Why? Why would you remove a post that some people deem “low effort”? People can just ignore the posts if they think it’s low effort.
More censorship and gate keeping has never been an good option.
Because you should take time to write a good question that’s clear and shown you’ve done research. This should be understood on every forum.
Because it’s clutter and annoying to see “Heyyy, is jellyfin a good video app?” ad nauseam, when a simple search would answer their question faster and without wasting everyone’s time and energy.
Modlogs are visible, if there’s truly a censorship issue then we’re free to upsticks and move to another community. That’s the advantage of the Fediverse.
