(Persecution)
Theres a catholic weirdo in the comments of the crosspost that so perfectly exemplifies this meme. Yelling about us living in sin but my gosh the outrage when you imply the church is the largest pedophilia coverup in history…
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN (and all the rest of you delightful folks, folx and fucks), Here for an infinitely entertaining GRAND ENCORE PERFORMANCE, straight off their debut in c/athiesm, A REAL, LIVE, UNIRONIC TRADCATH!
Watch in amazement as they leap from the lemmy diving board, immediately plunging in way over their own head as they argue everything from morality to particle physics in a sad attempt to rationalize their own faith!
Lets give them all a BIG round of applause folks, as we wait in eager anticipation of what might they think up next!
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im not yelling
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thats because it isnt
The Vatican has called the content of the allegations “criminal and morally reprehensible,” adding, “those acts were betrayals of trust that robbed survivors of their dignity and their faith. The church must learn hard lessons from its past, and there should be accountability for both abusers and those who permitted abuse to occur.” Pope Francis has also issued a striking personal apology, saying “we showed no care for the little ones.”
most of these cases are from the US, and the entirety of the bishops in the US dioceses and archdioceses and the vice president and president of the USCCB were summoned to Rome for this
most of these cases are from the US, and the entirety of the bishops in the US dioceses and archdioceses and the vice president and president of the USCCB were summoned to Rome for this
This feels like when a cop is put on paid suspension after shooting someone. They were summoned?!? Oh man, I hope they made it out alive.
Why is it even relevant that most cases happened in the US? The Church certainly didn’t help with rampant sexual abuse in the Canadian Residential schools. They didn’t do anything to stop unwed women from forced labor and non consensual adoptions in Ireland. When one of my loved ones was assaulted by the principal of the catholic high school she worked at, she told the diocese. Their response was to send everyone, including the victim, to sexual harassment training rather than fire the creep. That was less than 20 years ago.
Except it is? Wanna enlighten us about what the church does when it finds out a priest or other clergy men is found to be a pedophile? They certainly aren’t turning them into the police.
they go to jail in the Vatican itself or Italy
30-35 years is the max sentence in the Vatican tho, as life imprisonment was banned by Pope Francis
In January 2024, a Vatican Court of Appeals handed down the first-ever prison sentence for sexual abuse perpetrated on Vatican sovereign territory.
Less than three years for this first ever case…
perpetrated on vatican territory
I understand they only have jurisdiction in the Vatican, but your comment made it sound like it’s a more common thing than a one off occurrence.
Personally, I find it pretty telling that the church didn’t take the abuse seriously until they started bleeding followers, affecting their tithes.
the Church charges you? I think it heavily depends on your diocese or area but its voluntarily and doesnt literally have to be 10% of your income
Shit dude, we can lie too if that’s the game you want to play lol
Oo! Oo! Ask them if any priests have gone to jail in the vatican for it! They totally dipped on answering that one the last time they trotted out this tired act, maybe they’ve figured it out since then! I know there’s been one, but has there been two??
As far as I can tell, just one, Father Gabriel Martinelli. They probably didn’t answer because the guy got less than three years
You mean it’s absolutely devastating to their argument and they’re just ignoring it? A catholic?!? No, they would never!
and in other countries, they are usually handed over, or sent to another country to be arrested
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Persecution
Common relationship advice: “Any relationship where the partner is puttin u under constant tests is toxic”
“k, so “god” is toxic because in the Bible it constantly does it”
“No thats different”
SMFH
I’m an atheist but I’m sorry I don’t like this false equivalency. Comparing a “relationship” of two grown adults to how Christians see their relationship with God is just wrong.
It’s literally all over the Bible and their teachings. The relationship is that of a child to a parent. A parent often has to do things that seem “unfair” or “hypocritical” to a child. But the child is not capable of understanding the danger or entire context of the situation. This is how Christians view their relationship with God. They take on the role of an obedient child that trusts their parent to guide them for their own best interests.
It’s bull shit and borderline crazy. But it’s not at all analogous to a consenting relationship between two adults. Its more like them pointing to their sky dad that watches Fox News all the time. You’re not gonna catch them in hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy when they are just doing whatever they choose to believe their sky dad wants them to.
The relationship is that of a child to a parent.
If a parent constantly tests and judges you, that’s still toxic. Especially when they already know the outcome. Doubly especially when failing the test means not just a spanking but literal eternal torture.
I don’t disagree. But, it’s not like trying to help someone leave a toxic relationship. It’s more like needing to take a child away from an abusive parent. But that abusive parent is inside their head.
It literally is! You’re not God’s “partner”, you’re His creation; you’re not equals as you’re entirely dependent on Him. A little toon or sim that cannot survive without the framework God made around them can only serve his master and be grateful for the opportunity of existence.
Which is totally not toxic at all
I don’t think this (very fuzzy, seriously, pick a better word, world) word applies. You’re not God’s equal, it’s not an equal relationship. God needs nothing from us, we need everything from God.
If he needs nothing from us, why does he DEMAND so much?
Because for merciful justice to take place not only must the righteous be recognised for it but the ones who refused to be righteous must be also, with all that it entails. If God judged the serial rapist and the victim of rape equally, why would you even take Him seriously? Evidently whoever sees things that way has lost whatever mind they had. So God encourages you to be a good person for your own benefit (and you engage in immorality to your own detriment).
And, btw, in a vacuum everyone besides those who are actually mentally ill or have some brain tumour altering their thinking would see the same. We have the brain, the inner prosocial disposition and understanding of justice (lots of experiments done with infants point to this too), and the time to make these simple moral observations… whatever message God has decided to illuminate even the blindest among us (“why does He demand so much?”) with is just a mercy, an extra nudge in the right direction. This life came for free, be good and live forever in peace. 🙏
You don’t need to be religious to be mentally ill, you can be both or neither. Same with being gay, same with being trans. Idk if being trans by itself constitutes “mental illness” but I’m not about to jump into that rabbit hole.
But I do know you can’t be considered sensible/serious about your religious ideology if you believe an actual “man in the sky” will both judge you for your actions and reward/punish you and also not do so. Men aren’t immortal beings with no needs who can easily survive in the clouds/space/whatever, and you’re either getting judged and paid accordingly or not, it’s not both. Also, the only religious group I ever see actually be persecuted/harassed is Muslims, lol, how did they appropriate that also?!
Also, the only religious group I ever see actually be persecuted/harassed is Muslims, lol, how did they appropriate that also?!
That’s very easy if both your holy book AND everyone around you feeds into your persecution complex…
